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Very simple: 90% or more of Protestants in the world are functionally One Church. When I say "Protestant" I'm referring to that. That is the Church you both belong to do. I don't identify you with those who don't consider you a part of the One Church. Those people do not share an identity with you in this sense, and so I will only deal with them distinctly from you, not as part of your Church, because they aren't part of it.
You are correct on your definition of the world, it means whole, entire, universal, complete. However, we don't believe "catholic" here means "the entirety of those who identify as Christian," but rather, "the complete Body of Christ". Because, you see, we don't believe simply identifying as Christian is sufficient to make you a part of the Body of Christ.
It is very important when in a debate or discussion to represent everyone's beliefs an accurately. Not all Protestants have open communion. The LCMS, for example, practices closed communion.
Likewise, In regards to some other posts, you can't apply the same concept of the one catholic universal church in the Protestant world to mean that they all believe the same thing or that a website represents them all. It's just not the nature of the Protestant church. The viewpoint is very different, and the Orthodox understanding cannot be applied equally to the Protestant understanding.
I'm not agreeing with open communion, and I am not defending other people's beliefs. I do strongly believe we need to be accurate in our discussions, especially when we disagree.
You said.........
"Because, you see, we don't believe simply identifying as Christian is sufficient to make you a part of the Body of Christ."
Then can you tell me what it does take for a man to be considered a Christian????
Please post the Bible Scriptures that validate your comment.
Two years ago, I was at the funeral of such a young man. He was saved and the Catholic church told his parents they were not to have any fellowship with hi. The actual words said to him by his mother was.....
"You are dead to us and goin to hell".
That 40 year old man never spoke to his parents again and as I said died of cancer two years ago.
when a Catholic church member actually got s... and chose to leave the Catholic church.
[/thread]So, shall I take it that now the conversation has completely wandered off the OP we are all in agreement that the Immaculate Conception is a Dogma unique to the Catholic Church?
Yes, it is unique to the Roman Catholic Church.So, shall I take it that now the conversation has completely wandered off the OP we are all in agreement that the Immaculate Conception is a Dogma unique to the Catholic Church?
So, shall I take it that now the conversation has completely wandered off the OP we are all in agreement that the Immaculate Conception is a Dogma unique to the Catholic Church?
Yes, it is unique to the Roman Catholic Church.
Indeed.
That shouldn't have taken more than a few posts to verify/clarify ... and we are at near 300?
What do you make of 1 Corinthians 5:11?Southern Baptists do not have an "excommunication" process as is thought of taking place in certain other faiths such as the Catholic church.
Certainly there is church discipline when a member stops attending church or is found in immorality. But those cases are almost always treated by counseling and prayer. Immorality and heresy rarely jeopardize
membership. Churches in practice deny their authority to judge the belief and behavior of individual members.
The cases I personally know of where excommunication and the cut off of communion was when a Catholic church member actually got saved and chose to leave the Catholic church. The catholic church then made sure that there was no family interaction what so ever.
Two years ago, I was at the funeral of such a young man. He was saved and the Catholic church told his parents they were not to have any fellowship with hi. The actual words said to him by his mother was.....
"You are dead to us and goin to hell".
That 40 year old man never spoke to his parents again and as I said died of cancer two years ago.
Open communion - WikipediaCan you please post for me the link from where you continue to get such questionable information?
Just FYI, open communion in many Protestant Churches doesn't indicate the same thing that it does in Orthodoxy. I'm not saying you'll view it the way they do - but it isn't understood in the same way. Open communion to them doesn't mean having the same beliefs in every theological area.
Just FYI, open communion in many Protestant Churches doesn't indicate the same thing that it does in Orthodoxy. I'm not saying you'll view it the way they do - but it isn't understood in the same way. Open communion to them doesn't mean having the same beliefs in every theological area.
What do you make of 1 Corinthians 5:11?
We should always seek to save sinners, but sharing Communion with someone who seriously sins without any repentance is clearly not acceptable. Bringing up Rome has nothing to do with this, since I was not talking about excommunication in that sense, just in the sense of no longer sharing Communion.
So the issue isn't whether someone should or should not be able to partake of the Lord's Supper; the reason for closed communion is due to the understanding of what communion means. It isn't just saying that we are partaking of the Lord's Supper because we are Christians, but also says that we affirm and believe the same faith - hence being in communion with each other.The Lords Supper IMO should open to all who love the Lord Jesus in sincerity and truth and have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus..
Now, who should determine who loves the Lord Jesus in sincerity and truth, the prospective participant, or the church to whom the Lord Jesus has entrusted this ordinance?
It is really a no-brainer IMO, since it is the Lord's Supper, no church has the right to prohibit anyone from partaking.
The Lords Supper IMO should open to all who love the Lord Jesus in sincerity and truth and have placed their faith in the Lord Jesus..
Now, who should determine who loves the Lord Jesus in sincerity and truth, the prospective participant, or the church to whom the Lord Jesus has entrusted this ordinance?
It is really a no-brainer IMO, since it is the Lord's Supper, no church has the right to prohibit anyone from partaking.
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