Immaculate Conception?

[Winken]

Jesus is fully man, and fully God.

I believe it is true that: the Holy Spirit's seed and Mary's seed produced Jesus?

For Jesus to be sinless, would Mary need to be either:
a) Saved and or Filled with the Holy Spirit
b) Sinless

I can't see, God in the flesh could be conceived if Mary was a sinner.

Jesus was Spiritually conceived. Intimate contact was not involved.

 

[miknik5]

I never said I ate from the tree of life, that's silly. Only Adam and Eve could do that. After they defaulted on their mission they lost the use of the tree that allowed them to sustain their immortality.

Their mission being?

 

[John Hyperspace]

But "all have sinned " only means that all are subject to original sin. Mary was spared from original sin by God, not herself. The popular analogy is God let us fall in the mud puddle, and cleaned us up afterward through baptism. In Mary's case, God did not let her enter the mud puddle.

Whatever it means to you, the word "all" is still there. I get that you're wanting me to accept "all does not mean all" but I have to reject that as an argument. If "all" doesn't mean "all" then the writer has employed the wrong word. You've introduced a systematic instability into scripture which renders us incapable of determining what the words actually mean since "word doesn't actually mean word"

In other words, if we can't be sure that "all" means "all" then we can't be sure that "none" means "none", "many" means "many", "life" means "life", "saved" means "saved", "truth" means "truth" etc.

 

[Colter]

Their mission being?

To be our fallen worlds new spiritual rulers.

 

[miknik5]

I'm already saved and will live on forever. The "tree of life" was a real tree.

Death and or translation is normal. It's been on the earth since life was first created.

I don't agree
The TREE of LIFE was in THE GARDEN of GOD

It never moved out from the GARDEN of GOD

and THE WAY back in was blocked
until CHRIST alone would open THE WAY

 

[miknik5]

What was Adam and Eve's mission?

 

[Hank77]

Here is the point, Hank, do you carry/share your moms DNA?

The Answer is YEAH! Of course you carry/share you Moms SINFUL contaminated through and through DNA every strand and fiber of our being. We all carry/share our Moms Sinful DNA which makes us who we are, Sinful.

Virgin Mary's DNA through the Grace of God CANNOT/SHALL NOT be Contaminated with Sin. IF people say Virgin Mary's DNA is like any other, with sin, then people who call themselves Christians, contradict themselves by say Jesus Christ was born with out sin. IT IS ALL IN THE PURE/IMMACULATE DNA!

See my post #29 for another explanation.

 

[prodromos]

You responded to a poster that JESUS did not reveal HIS GLORY while in the womb

Yes, HE did
HE did for Elizabeth and John
(who was also in the womb)

Rubbish! They recognised who He was but it was not because He revealed himself in His glory.

 

[miknik5]

To be our fallen worlds new spiritual rulers.

Oh boy!

H. E. L. P

 

[Colter]

I don't agree
The TREE of LIFE was in THE GARDEN of GOD

It never moved out from the GARDEN of GOD

and THE WAY back in was blocked
until CHRIST alone would open THE WAY

Yea, the story is a chopped up mess, so people can draw their conclusions. It's clear they sinned and died like man dies.

 

[Colter]

Oh boy!

H. E. L. P

What do you think their mission was?

 

[miknik5]

Rubbish! They recognised who He was but it was not because He revealed himself in His glory.

Ahhhh

H. E. L. P again

Do you know any baby in the womb who can recognize another baby in the womb.

And do you know how the mother could understand what this meant that her baby leapt in the womb and the sound of Mary's voice acknowledging her as the mother of THE LORD?!

 

[miknik5]

What do you think their mission was?

The same is ours

Men waiting for their REDEEMER

 

[Colter]

The same is ours

Men waiting for their REDEEMER

Hardly, they were full grown educated adults who spoke the same language as the crafty beast. There is much, much more to the story.

 

[miknik5]

Hardly, they were full grown educated adults who spoke the same language as the crafty beast. There is much, much more to the story.

Nope the story of OUR SALVATION begins and ends with JESUS

And anyone who adds to THAT TRUTH makes manifest that he doesn't fully understand the story of mankind's SALVATION in, by and through JESUS

 

[Colter]

Nope the story of OUR SALVATION begins and ends with JESUS

And anyone who adds to THAT TRUTH makes manifest that he doesn't fully understand the story of mankind's SALVATION in, by and through JESUS

Your story has holes in it. The theory that death came to earth through Adam overlooks the obveous fact that the earth would be very, very crowded if men plants, animals and humans never died.

 

[miknik5]

Your story has holes in it. The theory that death came to earth through Adam overlooks the obveous fact that the earth would be very, very crowded if men plants, animals and humans never died.

I don't even know how to answer this

All will die
But not all will die

 

[Colter]

I don't even know how to answer this

All will die
But not all will die

Because the claim is that, had Adam and Eve not sinned, there would be no death on the earth. That man inherits death due to the sin.

I'm saying that the death punishment of Adam and Eve was specific to them, death and or translation was /is normal for man regardless. The salvation piece after death is another matter.

 

[meconstant3402]

Only God knew Mary. Her heart was disposed to do His will. As for the technicalities of how God was to come out of human, whether she had to be immaculate I dont care. I love Mary and believe Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God. God is above science always.

 

[MJFlores]

Jesus is fully man, and fully God.

I believe it is true that: the Holy Spirit's seed and Mary's seed produced Jesus?

For Jesus to be sinless, would Mary need to be either:
a) Saved and or Filled with the Holy Spirit
b) Sinless

I can't see, God in the flesh could be conceived if Mary was a sinner.

Then, I suppose:

For Mary to be sinless, would Mary's parents need to be either:
a) Saved and or Filled with the Holy Spirit
b) Sinless

Also Mary's grandparents, great grand parents and so forth.
Would you agree?
Its like a continuous pipeline of potable water
Can't be potable if one pipe is a septic pipe