Immaculate Conception

[Thursday]

At the end of the day, i believe, in my personal opinion, that we all need Grace. No one is perfect and so its hard to condemn anyone. I think all that can be done is to preach the word, preach the grace, and leave it in Gods hands.

I really dont know any more than that. As you said, the Lord will judge us all. We will be judged. I would never give up hoping and trying though, no matter how much i failed. There isn't much sense just laying down and waiting for hell to greet us. WE must keep hoping and trying no matter how much we fail.

I put faith in Gods Spirit. I believe Gods spirit wil teach us as individuals. Thats the missing link of understanding perhaps

Who could argue with this? Well stated.

 

[Extraneous]

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[Extraneous]

Who could argue with this? Well stated.

Ok, i'll retract my last post then.

 

[Thursday]

Ok, i'll retract my last post then.

Ha! Fair enough.

I have a challenge for you, though.

Do some research into what the early Christians(those who learned the gospel from the apostles and the next couple of generations of church leaders) believed and practiced.

I think you will find that it is quite a bit different than many of your beliefs and practices.

 

[Thursday]

I made the statement. Obviously, I'm not confused about what I meant.

You are confused to make such a silly statement.

Each of us is capable of rejecting God and embracing sin.

That is why we must remain steadfast until the end.

2 Tim 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

 

[Albion]

You are confused to make such a silly statement.

 

[Extraneous]

Ha! Fair enough.

I have a challenge for you, though.

Do some research into what the early Christians(those who learned the gospel from the apostles and the next couple of generations of church leaders) believed and practiced.

I think you will find that it is quite a bit different than many of your beliefs and practices.

I think the bible is sufficient. I believe that too many religious things can actually distract us from the most important things of all. You already said we are not perfect. So why add more than is needed then? Shouldn't we instead focus more on the things we fail at, instead of focusing on other things?

 

[Thursday]

I think the bible is sufficient. I believe that too many religious things can actually distract us from the most important things of all. You already said we are not perfect. So why add more than is needed then? Shouldn't we instead focus more on the things we fail at, instead of focusing on other things?

If the bible was sufficient then why are there so many Christian beliefs that contradict each other?

Jesus wants us to be one as he and the Father are one.

Do you think they disagree about what is true?

Jesus didn't write a book, he started a Church. His Church then both wrote down his teachings and preserved them in tradition.

What would it hurt you to read about the early Church? Do you think you know more about what Jesus taught than the men who learned the gospel from the apostles?

How do you even know if the right books are in the New Testament?

 

[ConquerorPlus]

2 Tim 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;

Paul wrote to Timothy, who was a Christian. Paul never suggested that any one was to endure in popery.

 

[Thursday]

Paul wrote to Timothy, who was a Christian. Paul never suggested that any one was to endure in popery.

Paul's point in this message to Timothy was that we must endure in our faith.

Paul was a member in good standing of the Catholic Church. As you can see in Acts 15, when there was a controversy regarding the requirements for gentile converts, he didn't make his own doctrinal decisions, he consulted the Church leaders.

 

[Extraneous]

If the bible was sufficient then why are there so many Christian beliefs that contradict each other?

There are a few reasons for this. The answer is because people add more to our doctrine than the bible actually teaches. That causes division.

Its also because we have some leaders who are not spiritual people. They don't want to follow Paul's example. They don't want to live a simple life free from wealth. For this reason they are blind and not spirit lead and they lead others astray. Jesus taught us how to spot a bad teacher, and so did Paul. Its about wealth usually. Bad teachers love money. This is my opinion.

Another reason is simple misunderstanding i think. Some leaders just misunderstood a scripture and created something that causes division among denominations. These things may be unimportant though and doesn't necessarily mean the church is teaching heresy. An example would be the Church of Christ and its teaching on musical instruments in Church. Its not heresy exactly, but its not right either. Is just misunderstanding. I think its harmless, although its wrong.

This is exactly why we should keep things as simple as possible. This not only keeps division down, but also helps people attend to the most important things, things which we all fail at.

Its my opinion that paul actually exhorts simplicity for these reasons.

 

[Thursday]

There are a few reasons for this. The answer is because people add more to our doctrine than the bible actually teaches. That causes division.

I think the answer is that many now reject the Church that Jesus started.

Jesus didn't write a book, he started a Church.

How do you know that the New Testament books are the right ones? How do you know that they are scripture? Who said so?

 

[Standing Up]

Paul's point in this message to Timothy was that we must endure in our faith.

Paul was a member in good standing of the Catholic Church. As you can see in Acts 15, when there was a controversy regarding the requirements for gentile converts, he didn't make his own doctrinal decisions, he consulted the Church leaders.

You can be sure had the so-called leaders like James, brother of Christ, been doctrinally off, which they were, which is why they had the meeting in the first place, you can be sure that Paul would have rejected the council's decision.

Gal. 1:3
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[Thursday]

You can be sure had the so-called leaders like James, brother of Christ, been doctrinally off, which they were, which is why they had the meeting in the first place, you can be sure that Paul would have rejected the council's decision.

Gal. 1:3
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

That wouldn't happen. Paul knew, because he learned it from the apostles, that Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth.

 

[Extraneous]

Paul was a member in good standing of the Catholic Church. .

No brother, that's wrong. Catholicism came well after Paul was dead.

 

[Thursday]

No brother, that's wrong. Catholicism came well after Paul was dead.

You are mistaken. Jesus only started one Church. It was united in faith and moral teaching.

Which Church do you think it was?

 

[Extraneous]

That wouldn't happen. Paul knew, because he learned it from the apostles, that Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth.

Paul actually said that in the last days people would no longer endure sound doctrine and would follow teachers who would lead them away from the truth.

Thats what Paul said.

 

[ConquerorPlus]

Paul wrote to Timothy, who was a Christian. Paul never suggested that any one was to endure in popery.

Paul's point in this message to Timothy was that we must endure in our faith.

Paul was a member in good standing of the Catholic Church. As you can see in Acts 15, when there was a controversy regarding the requirements for gentile converts, he didn't make his own doctrinal decisions, he consulted the Church leaders.

Paul was a Christian, who never wrote anything inspired about Mary.

Popery is radically different, as those enslaved to it cannot stop talking about Mary. Remember that you are required to believe in the Immaculate Deception, otherwise you aren't a GOOD practising Roman Catholic!

 

[Extraneous]

You are mistaken. Jesus only started one Church. It was united in faith and moral teaching.

Which Church do you think it was?

Can i say something, without trying to be offensive?

Catholicism is about as far away from the original Church as you can get. Its not closer, its farther away.

Paul did not teach or follow Catholicism. Look at his writings and you will be hard pressed to prove that Paul taught Catholicism.

 

[Standing Up]

That wouldn't happen. Paul knew, because he learned it from the apostles, that Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth.

Well, it was happening, as you pointed out with Acts 15. Also John

Rev. 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

The question is what's the test? You may defend RC, others disagree. What's the test?