i see what you mean but what im wondering is if by thinking or saying that aloud in the past does that mean i cant be forgiven now
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i see what you mean but what im wondering is if by thinking or saying that aloud in the past does that mean i cant be forgiven now
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but the pharasiess didnt "think" he was evil, they said it out of spite because they wanted to lead people astray. so if you thought something our of spite, wouldnt that be the same thing??
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The Pharisees KNEW He was the Son of God but called Him evil for their own purposes. I don't know why anyone or how anyone could do this but they did. Trust me you haven't done it. If you did you wouldn't be worried about it.
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But there is no 'proof' or no scripture that says that saying, 'if you have done this you wouldn't be worried about it' so I dont know how people can just assume that's true & be on their way...
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but to me you are saying two totally diff. things.
1st you said that if you say that thing about Him and mean it you have committed that sin
2nd you said you would have to think it or believe it for that sin to be committed.
I don't if I've said things in my head and meant them but thats what im scared if or if ive mumbled one of my thoughts, this is why i tell you guys that I'll never know...
1st you said that if you say that thing about Him and mean it you have committed that sin
2nd you said you would have to think it or believe it for that sin to be committed.
I don't if I've said things in my head and meant them but thats what im scared if or if ive mumbled one of my thoughts, this is why i tell you guys that I'll never know...
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You are not judged for your thoughts little sister. If you have given your life to Jesus you are not judged at all. The only people that are judged are those who have not given their hearts to Jesus.
That doesnt mean you are perfect. That doesnt mean you stop having doubts either. It does mean you are saved because Jesus said so and he IS sure. You can never lose that salvation because it isnt about what you can do it is about what Jesus did! In my own power I couldnt keep a job or a wife. How could I keep my salvation?
Thats why I know without doubt I am saved and that you are also. Because it isnt up to me. It is up to Him. Just know that when you doubt anything, thats your OCD acting up. Thats all it is.
That doesnt mean you are perfect. That doesnt mean you stop having doubts either. It does mean you are saved because Jesus said so and he IS sure. You can never lose that salvation because it isnt about what you can do it is about what Jesus did! In my own power I couldnt keep a job or a wife. How could I keep my salvation?
Thats why I know without doubt I am saved and that you are also. Because it isnt up to me. It is up to Him. Just know that when you doubt anything, thats your OCD acting up. Thats all it is.
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I hope, im having a bad day.
But still I don't know if I have actually ever meant the thoughts. I hope not. But im in SO much mental distress wondering/and being angry at god for not 'loving me' or being with me.
But I know it doesnt make sense that god would throw someone in Hell so their thoughts or for bring in this situation and still wanting Him, but I know He is loving but also holy so, that worries that He make look at me only holy and not lovingly and that He may not forgive me because He either cannot/or does't want too.
But still I don't know if I have actually ever meant the thoughts. I hope not. But im in SO much mental distress wondering/and being angry at god for not 'loving me' or being with me.
But I know it doesnt make sense that god would throw someone in Hell so their thoughts or for bring in this situation and still wanting Him, but I know He is loving but also holy so, that worries that He make look at me only holy and not lovingly and that He may not forgive me because He either cannot/or does't want too.
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Caty, I think you are confusing some things about God. You have to understand that even ONE of your sins against Him deserves to be punished in Hell forever, because He HATES sin. It is an abomination to Him. And we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Now, He came as the person of Jesus Christ to atone for YOUR sins. So, if you have faith in Christ and what He did upon the cross, He has already paid the punishment for your sins.
That means, that the only thing that is unpardonable is KNOWING that Jesus is the only way to God, and saying NOPE, DON'T WANT IT, rejecting the only way to salvation, and basically walking right into hell. People have done this, and they would not care if they had. They knew it but rejected it. How could you be pardoned for rejecting the only way to be pardoned?
Do you understand? You simply cannot be pardoned if you reject the only way to be pardoned.
It doesn't mean you can't put it off or not fully understand or sin after you accept it. We all sin and we are all imperfect, but you must put faith in Christ for what He did upon the cross for YOUR SINS, in order to be saved. What I am saying is that if you KNOW He is the way to peace and forgiveness with God, and you WANT it, you could not possibly have committed it, ok?
Now, He came as the person of Jesus Christ to atone for YOUR sins. So, if you have faith in Christ and what He did upon the cross, He has already paid the punishment for your sins.
That means, that the only thing that is unpardonable is KNOWING that Jesus is the only way to God, and saying NOPE, DON'T WANT IT, rejecting the only way to salvation, and basically walking right into hell. People have done this, and they would not care if they had. They knew it but rejected it. How could you be pardoned for rejecting the only way to be pardoned?
Do you understand? You simply cannot be pardoned if you reject the only way to be pardoned.
It doesn't mean you can't put it off or not fully understand or sin after you accept it. We all sin and we are all imperfect, but you must put faith in Christ for what He did upon the cross for YOUR SINS, in order to be saved. What I am saying is that if you KNOW He is the way to peace and forgiveness with God, and you WANT it, you could not possibly have committed it, ok?
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Okay, see I know that stuff but to me (this is how I see that scripture) is if I say/think something bad about the Spirit then I'm basically saying that I don't want God. even if I do, & Im afraid he takes it that way. I know ive had thoughts (that are what the pharasiess have said) that have came from me in anger. I just want all of this to stop & I wish I wasnt even born sometimes becausse I feel like my life is pointless if God will not save me...
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I think that I do, I hope I do...
I mean I know that's the only thing that will save me...
I mean I know that's the only thing that will save me...
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So, by saying something in anger or whatever in your head & then regretting it isn't rejecting it in some fashion.
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If you had rejected it, you wouldn't want it, you would have rejected it.
Imagine someone says: You are thirsty? Here is some water, the only water you are going to get. You say no, I don't want water and walk away. Youuuuuuuuuu want the water, so you couldn't have rejected it.
Imagine someone says: You are thirsty? Here is some water, the only water you are going to get. You say no, I don't want water and walk away. Youuuuuuuuuu want the water, so you couldn't have rejected it.
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I just hope.
I mean I know that I don't understand the 'love' you all say that God has for me but I feel just like Ive wasted all of that...I feel like He hates me.
I mean I know that I don't understand the 'love' you all say that God has for me but I feel just like Ive wasted all of that...I feel like He hates me.
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