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I'm sorry you're feeling that way about Christianity. It sounds as though you are searching for something - I hope you find what you are searching for. Maybe you do have to explore different avenues for a while. Marco please be assured no matter what happens God will always love you and if you do return to being a Christian - He will be waiting for you. I hope you do find peace within yourself.

Would you like me to pray for you?

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This comes from the book The Life of Repentance
and Purity

BY
His Holiness Pope Shenouda III (Coptic Orthodox Pope)

I also recommed the whole book for you to read

"
Sin is corruption of the human nature.
It is said about sinners that: "They have all turned
aside, they have together become corrupt" (Ps 14:3).
For a person is, God's image and likeness, except when he is in
the state of sin, in which he is corrupted and has lost God's
image. I do not agree with the one who falls and defends his fall
by saying: `This is the human nature...I should be excused, this
is my nature!'
No, this is not the human nature which the good
Lord created, who after creating everything saw that it was very
good (Gen 1:31).
Your human nature, my brother, in its original
state is very good, but you complain from your present
nature after it has been corrupted by sin.

This is the corruption which the apostle complained about
saying: "But I am carnal, sold under sin... O wretched man
that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?" (Rom
7:14, 24).
Sin ruins our nature and puts it down from its
heavenly level.
Sin is degradation... Imagine a person in his
position as a son to God, degrading himself to the level in
which he becomes a son to Satan.

By this degradation, the light which is in him becomes darkness.
He forgets his high position and does as one of the children of
people. The sinner is degraded in his own eyes and his level is
92
lowered or destroyed in his own eyes. I will give you an
example: Can a son of a king sit on a heap of rubbish? Certainly
not...How much more is, the son of God?
The sinner also is not only degraded in his own
eyes, but also in his look towards people.
An example of this is a youth who looks at a young woman
with a lustful look. No doubt, if he was heavenly in his
thoughts, he would have said to himself: `This young woman is
a temple for the Holy Spirit, how can I touch or defile Him? I
cannot at all destroy the temple of God'.
For "if anyone defiles
the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God
is holy" (1 Cor 3:17).
But the youth looks at the young woman
with lust because her level has been degraded in his sight. This
is the sin which corrupts human nature and changes it from
being a temple for God to a tool for corruption.
It does not only corrupt human nature, but all of
the earth.
Therefore it was said in the book of Revelation about the great
harlot that she: "corrupted the earth with her fornication" (Rev
19:2).
What else of sin?
"
 
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SaintMarco said:
I'm sick of being a Christian. It isn't working for me. I treat people around me like crap and it's because I'm not happy within myself. I have tried being God's child and it's not working out for me. I am too opinionated, too arrogant and too different. Humans are naturally selfish creatures and that's what I am. I have a sad pathetic life, and it's all thanks to being a child of God, he is making me very miserable.

I believe Satanism may be the religion for me afterall. God is proving this to me. I asked for answers and I'm getting them.

Uhm, happy birthday?
 
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God doesn't lead people into devil-worship. What you're feeling, however, might be him trying to point out to you that you've never been born again. John 3:3 says that in order to enter the kingdom of God you must be born again.

If I'm correct, the Catholic religion (which is what I think you're really dissatisfied with) teaches that born again happens when you're baptized at birth. I must ask: How is this a conscious decision? How can one be born again when he has no discernible will? I'm not talking free will or predestination ... just, how is it possible to be saved at birth?

Becoming a child of God is when you (as a person who understands spiritual truth) submit yourself to God's Word and believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior. This means confessing that you hate your sins and personally giving an account of your desire to be converted. You must ask Jesus to come into your heart and save you ... if you ever want to be saved from this.

Satanism is not the answer, and it never was and never will be. I know it's some people's train of thought to "pick the underdog" but Satan is none of that. Though he is evil, and indeed is the cause of much of the wrongdoing in the world, he is a pawn of God and can do nothing unless the LORD allows it. That's why the world hasn't been taken to hell this instant. (He wants us all to burn in there with him, remember?)

You can PM me if you'd like. Or just PM God himself ... he's quicker.
 
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SaintMarco said:
Thank you for all your replies. Let me make one thing clear: the Satan I speak of is not a living spirit trying to tempt me into darkness. The Satan I speak of is that dark, natural, carnal force inside every human being. Selfishness, desire, pride, self-empowerment. I cannot call myself a Christian until I live life the way nature intended. The life of a Satanism. Satanists are an alien elite, living life the way man is naturally supposed to, and constantly thriving to make themselves better and more powerful. I understand power is nothing without wisdom but who says only true wisdom can come from God? The brain is a powerful organ, capable of much more than people think.

Being honest, the only reason I fear getting into Satanism is because I fear going to this place you all speak of called "hell". That's quite sad that the Catholic church has managed to brainwash me to the extent where I am frightened to do what I really want to do.

Humans are animals and animals live naturally - every one for themselves. I suggest you people try and do the same before you preach about giving your life and soul up to God.

What, you don't think we haven't? We tried and it doesn't work. You're trying and it hasn't worked. You can't find love in becoming powerful. Being an "alien elite" has its disadvantages within society, but even worse because essentially, you get what you want. You'll be an alien elite of one, rotting by yourself in hell, and of course that's just what you'll want, even when it happens.

It's your state of life. You follow your desires. But what happens when you can no longer fulfill them, yet still have them?

It's my belief that part of "hell" involves hating God, having the same temptations as earth, wanting in every way to fulfill your lusts and yet not being able to. Impossible. You've run out of your cord. You huff and puff, and eventually you've ... by your own mental powers, through hate, anger, and frustration ... set yourself quite literally on fire.

Imagine a heap of people in the dark, paralyzed, flesh burning from their own mental energy, each thinking to do what they never will be able to do. And dying at the same time. Forever. That, if you don't realize it, is the end goal of Satanism.
 
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I do appreciate people trying to help me, but I am getting quite sick of the somewhat absurd idea that if I follow Satanism, I will go to hell.

I do not believe that your good, all-loving God is corrupted enough to send people to eternal torment for merely a few sins.

Like I said, the ONLY reason I don't get into Satanism is fear of going to hell. And I find that quite sad - sad that Christianity and it's followers have managed to brainwash me into believing I will rot in hell.

I will do what destiny desires.
 
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SaintMarco said:
I do appreciate people trying to help me, but I am getting quite sick of the somewhat absurd idea that if I follow Satanism, I will go to hell.

I do not believe that your good, all-loving God is corrupted enough to send people to eternal torment for merely a few sins.

Like I said, the ONLY reason I don't get into Satanism is fear of going to hell. And I find that quite sad - sad that Christianity and it's followers have managed to brainwash me into believing I will rot in hell.

I will do what destiny desires.

kk. u sure u shud b in these forums? x
 
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kk. u sure u shud b in these forums? x

Indeed, as I am seeking help with moral issues I have. Christians can be very good people, and useful for advice. And some of the people here are really interesting and really nice and understanding. I respect their point of view, and greatly appreciate the advice I am given.

I can understand why perhaps you don't think I should be here, but I don't see myself as an enemy of these people.
 
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SaintMarco said:
Indeed, as I am seeking help with moral issues I have. Christians can be very good people, and useful for advice. And some of the people here are really interesting and really nice and understanding. I respect their point of view, and greatly appreciate the advice I am given.

I can understand why perhaps you don't think I should be here, but I don't see myself as an enemy of these people.

o rite i get ya. im not quite sure wot i am at the moment. i askin loadsa q's 2 find out more bout god x
 
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I think one of the problems here, is that Satanism is so misunderstood.

Also, I would just like to say, Satanists are not all "bad" people. I am in contact with two Satanists and they are polite, respectful, understanding and very nice people.I get on great with them. Until anyone here actually MEETS a Satanist, you cannot judge them.

Just because someone doesn't follow the path of Christ doesn't mean they are evil. Christians should learn to understand that.
 
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SaintMarco said:
I think one of the problems here, is that Satanism is so misunderstood.

Also, I would just like to say, Satanists are not all "bad" people. I am in contact with two Satanists and they are polite, respectful, understanding and very nice people.I get on great with them. Until anyone here actually MEETS a Satanist, you cannot judge them.

Just because someone doesn't follow the path of Christ doesn't mean they are evil. Christians should learn to understand that.

they do
 
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Do you think maybe you think you may never become virtuous and so you have given up?

If you have the Holy Spirit then you can live the christian life victoriously..

Philippians 4:13 (King James Version)
13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

From?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Phillipians%204:13;&version=9;

Please read this


John 15 (King James Version)

1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

22If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

23He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

24If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


From
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2015;&version=9;

Taking the LORD Jesus' real body and blood often in some orthodox church masses (first you must be orthodox ofcourse) gives true believers strength to resist sin and to live a Holy life and helps them? bear fruit.
Also reading the Word of God often , memorising from it, and meditating on it.

All this will be a burden if you do not love God in your heart .. but God can grant you His love.. first you have to know how undeserving of His mercy you are I think.

John 14:6 (King James Version)

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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

From http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:6;&version=9;


Isaiah 64:6 (King James Version)
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But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

From
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa%2064:6;&version=9;

Romans 3:9-31 (King James Version)

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;


10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17And the way of peace have they not known:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


From
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203:9-31;&version=9;

I was baptised as an infant I believe and I think this may have been happening even at the time of the apostles or not very long after their death ?...

I think you should read about salvation in the orthodox concept
 
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SaintMarco said:
I do appreciate people trying to help me, but I am getting quite sick of the somewhat absurd idea that if I follow Satanism, I will go to hell.

I do not believe that your good, all-loving God is corrupted enough to send people to eternal torment for merely a few sins.

Like I said, the ONLY reason I don't get into Satanism is fear of going to hell. And I find that quite sad - sad that Christianity and it's followers have managed to brainwash me into believing I will rot in hell.

I will do what destiny desires.
First, I'm not really sure what you expected us to say. "Yeah, go ahead to Satanism, and be sure to sacrifice a few goats for me!" Noooo, that's not really a Christian mindset at all.

Second, I don't think you want to go to heaven. In heaven, we praise God eternally. You said that you don't want to serve God, and praise is a service to Him, so obviously heaven is not a place you want to be. And God will honor that decision of yours (the whole free will thing, remember?), but the only other place you can go is, well, hell. My good, all-loving God is not going to take away your autonomy and force you to go to a place you don't want to go to. Heaven is the end destination for those who choose God. Hell is the end destination for those who choose self. If you fear hell so much, you need to ask yourself why all of your decisions are leading you there.

Third, even if you did end up in heaven in your present state, you wouldn't be able to exist there, because of sin. It's hard for us to recognize just how horrible sin is to God, because we live in it all the time, just like it's hard for a pig in a stall to recognize just how dirty it is. Those 'few sins' are a big deal, both to God and to you. You can't approach God with any kind of sin in your heart--you'll just be burnt up. Nothing sinful can approach God, and that includes us.

That's why Jesus' sacrifice is so amazing. Even though we're sinful, His blood pays the price that we would have had to pay otherwise. We can approach God and actually have a relationship with Him, because the issue of sin is no longer on the table. (I'm reading through Hebrews right now--can you tell? :p )
 
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First, I'm not really sure what you expected us to say. "Yeah, go ahead to Satanism, and be sure to sacrifice a few goats for me!" Noooo, that's not really a Christian mindset at all.

Second, I don't think you want to go to heaven. In heaven, we praise God eternally. You said that you don't want to serve God, and praise is a service to Him, so obviously heaven is not a place you want to be. And God will honor that decision of yours (the whole free will thing, remember?), but the only other place you can go is, well, hell. My good, all-loving God is not going to take away your autonomy and force you to go to a place you don't want to go to. Heaven is the end destination for those who choose God. Hell is the end destination for those who choose self. If you fear hell so much, you need to ask yourself why all of your decisions are leading you there.

Third, even if you did end up in heaven in your present state, you wouldn't be able to exist there, because of sin. It's hard for us to recognize just how horrible sin is to God, because we live in it all the time, just like it's hard for a pig in a stall to recognize just how dirty it is. Those 'few sins' are a big deal, both to God and to you. You can't approach God with any kind of sin in your heart--you'll just be burnt up. Nothing sinful can approach God, and that includes us.

That's why Jesus' sacrifice is so amazing. Even though we're sinful, His blood pays the price that we would have had to pay otherwise. We can approach God and actually have a relationship with Him, because the issue of sin is no longer on the table. (I'm reading through Hebrews right now--can you tell? :p )

I'm not going to go to hell. Satanists can be good people you know, and until you've met any you have no right or reason to say otherwise

People DON'T go to hell just because they aren't Christian. Learn to see past your narrow-minded thoughts.

Just because my views and opinions differ from yours (and i'm talking to everyone here) doesn't mean that I'm "wrong" or "evil" or a "sinner". It's sad, and i'm sorry to say it, but you people act like you are brainwashed.

If God is so loving and caring, then I doubt he would be corrupted enough to send people to an eternity of torment. That's not a loving God, that's a dictator.
 
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SaintMarco said:
I'm not going to go to hell. Satanists can be good people you know, and until you've met any you have no right or reason to say otherwise

People DON'T go to hell just because they aren't Christian. Learn to see past your narrow-minded thoughts.

Just because my views and opinions differ from yours (and i'm talking to everyone here) doesn't mean that I'm "wrong" or "evil" or a "sinner". It's sad, and i'm sorry to say it, but you people act like you are brainwashed.

If God is so loving and caring, then I doubt he would be corrupted enough to send people to an eternity of torment. That's not a loving God, that's a dictator.

Say you were a judge in a courtroom. And in walks a man who commited a crime years ago. He was never caught but since then has cleaned up his act. Lived a clean and decent life and commit no more crimes since then. But then one day he gets caught and brought into the courtroom where he has a 50,000$ fine on his head for the crime he commited. Would you let this man go scott free because he told you, 'yes your honour, I was never caught for my crime. I don't have the 50,000$ but I haven't commited any crimes since. I have lived the best life possible and I've cleaned up my act'?

Luckily Our Judge sent His only Son. A person whom we did not know or have never seen to pay our fine so we can walk off scott free.

Every human being on Earth has broken at least 4 of the ten commandments. It doesn't matter how long since you've broken them. We are still lying, adulterous, blasphemous, murderous, evious thieves who still have a fine over our heads and still have to face a jugde at some point.

The question remains, if you were the convicted fellow, would you accept the free gift of your fine paid in full by that complete stranger? Or would you choose to be convicted and punished?
 
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