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thanks seajoy, im just afraid that if i do that then ill catagorize a thought as ocd then it really be me and all this time i will thank im going to heaven but in the end i wont.
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Caty, your reverence for God is clear. Your place in heaven is already marked and waiting.
In fact, as far as I can see, God has you in his hand right now. Always has. Lucky girl you.
Relax if you can, but worry not. No man has even reached the point where the unforgivable sin can even be committed yet. That's much further down the line.
Doesn't seem to me that you would be denying the Holy Spirit anyway.
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In fact, as far as I can see, God has you in his hand right now. Always has. Lucky girl you.
Relax if you can, but worry not. No man has even reached the point where the unforgivable sin can even be committed yet. That's much further down the line.
Doesn't seem to me that you would be denying the Holy Spirit anyway.
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No, it won't ever be you (the real you, not the ocd you) thinking anything against your beliefs. Anyway, Jesus died for your sins to be forgiven, you've accepted that and are going to heaven because of that. Nothing else has any bearing on salvation at all.
You are saved and going to heaven because you know Jesus died for you.
You are saved and going to heaven because you know Jesus died for you.
You are saved and going to heaven because you know Jesus died for you.
You can't do anything to stop that from happening. Jesus died for you and you're going to heaven.
Get used to it, the best is yet to come. You can't do anything to stop that from happening. Jesus died for you and you're going to heaven.
Get used to it, the best is yet to come. You can't do anything to stop that from happening. Jesus died for you and you're going to heaven.
Get used to it, the best is yet to come.
Do you want me to repeat it more? I'll be happy to, because it's true and God Loves You. Just keep repeating to yourself "It's true, I'm going to heaven.
Romans 7 shows Paul doing what you're doing. He's doing what he doesn't want to do; he knows he's saved because of his faith in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. Nothing has changed. You are still forgiven and will remain forgiven and headed for heaven no matter what your mind tells you.
Check out and memorize Romans 8:38For I am persuaded beyond doubt (am sure) that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities, nor things impending and threatening nor things to come, nor powers,
39Nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Sometimes I just have these (unwanted & scary urges) to do this stuff...like a "what if I did it type thing" and its scary.
But like today I was ordering a laptop and I thought I had ordered the wrong thing (& this ocd has caused me to have an even shorter temperment) but anyway I had bad thoughts about God calling Him bad things because of my mistake. & its like at the time Im just fighting them off and saying, "you know thats not true, stop it." but at the same exact time in my head its like my mind tries to offer up "excuses and reasons" that would make those bad statements true?
Is that an ocd thing?
But anyways after I fight off the thoughts and then like 2mins later I really think about what I said in my head---it makes me physically sick and im disgusted with myself that i had them. Has anyone w/ocd done this?
I'm just not convinced that mines ALL ocd and that scares me, I hope it is and if this is me i dont want it to be.
but then at the same time i think , "do you really care?" & I want to care soooooo bad, & I hope I do but what if I really dont? I want to, I dont want to not care.
But like today I was ordering a laptop and I thought I had ordered the wrong thing (& this ocd has caused me to have an even shorter temperment) but anyway I had bad thoughts about God calling Him bad things because of my mistake. & its like at the time Im just fighting them off and saying, "you know thats not true, stop it." but at the same exact time in my head its like my mind tries to offer up "excuses and reasons" that would make those bad statements true?
Is that an ocd thing?
But anyways after I fight off the thoughts and then like 2mins later I really think about what I said in my head---it makes me physically sick and im disgusted with myself that i had them. Has anyone w/ocd done this?
I'm just not convinced that mines ALL ocd and that scares me, I hope it is and if this is me i dont want it to be.
but then at the same time i think , "do you really care?" & I want to care soooooo bad, & I hope I do but what if I really dont? I want to, I dont want to not care.
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Personally, I'm powerless against my demons.
I get no help unless I physically/overtly ask for Jesus to step in.
Understanding this, I usually say/pray... satan, in the name of The Lord Jesus, be gone.
Without The Lords help, I'm a goner. Satan knows my buttons and how to push them. But Jesus protects me from all that.......... when I ask.
I get no help unless I physically/overtly ask for Jesus to step in.
Understanding this, I usually say/pray... satan, in the name of The Lord Jesus, be gone.
Without The Lords help, I'm a goner. Satan knows my buttons and how to push them. But Jesus protects me from all that.......... when I ask.
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Caty, these blasphemous thoughts and their various permutations are, seen from the outside, obviously OCD. You must recognise this. Remember that OCD doesn’t feels like a mental disorder to the person with it. OCD fiddles with the mind, and our thoughts come from the mind, so OCD feels like it is us. Obviously, we can often see that the obsessive thoughts are illogical, but they still hold sway until we expend the effort to deal with them. However, others outside of us can clearly see where we go wrong because they do not see reality through the distorted ‘glasses’ of our mind.
This is the case with you Caty. We all know that these thoughts and feelings you describe for us are OCD; those who have never had them because they display illogicality, and those who have had them because we have the knowledge that comes with experience. I understand fully how you are thinking and feeling for I also have trodden the same black road. I know that it is hard, nigh impossible, to trust what others say when our own brain is blaring what ‘feels’ like truth to us. And it is so easy to think “Couldn’t they be wrong? They can’t see what goes on inside my brain – they don’t understand! Anyway, they are as human as I am; they could very well be wrong even if they really did understand. Why should I put my trust in their interpretations? I want to be sure for myself!”
What we must all understand is that though we are all equal under God and all very much fallible, there are some who have a much closer relationship with God than us, or a better comprehension of the truth. This is especially pertinent for us OCDers – our own brain doesn’t work quite as it should. It is highly likely then that the unclouded brains of others are nearer the truth of what we fear than we are. I have often thought that it is a much better idea to put our confidence in the interpretations of those older, more experienced, or saner than we are.
The purpose of this discourse is to try to convince you that we are very likely right, and you very likely wrong! That is, to convince you that your thoughts are OCD – not to be trusted, and thus to be ignored (put in their proper place). By continuing to wonder as to the true character of your thoughts, you are feeding the thoughts and throwing the pearls of peace to the pigs of OCD. Please trust us that your unwanted thoughts are OCD and ignore them! Even if these thoughts were yours, we believe they would still be forgivable. So, just look at Jesus – he paid for your passage to heaven; he should be your focus, not your negative thoughts, nor your own sins whether real or imagined. Remember he lived and died and now is in glory all so that he could carry our burden of sin and fear – the very same burden that you continue to cling to. Give it to him! Take the freedom he offers and just rest in him!
This is the case with you Caty. We all know that these thoughts and feelings you describe for us are OCD; those who have never had them because they display illogicality, and those who have had them because we have the knowledge that comes with experience. I understand fully how you are thinking and feeling for I also have trodden the same black road. I know that it is hard, nigh impossible, to trust what others say when our own brain is blaring what ‘feels’ like truth to us. And it is so easy to think “Couldn’t they be wrong? They can’t see what goes on inside my brain – they don’t understand! Anyway, they are as human as I am; they could very well be wrong even if they really did understand. Why should I put my trust in their interpretations? I want to be sure for myself!”
What we must all understand is that though we are all equal under God and all very much fallible, there are some who have a much closer relationship with God than us, or a better comprehension of the truth. This is especially pertinent for us OCDers – our own brain doesn’t work quite as it should. It is highly likely then that the unclouded brains of others are nearer the truth of what we fear than we are. I have often thought that it is a much better idea to put our confidence in the interpretations of those older, more experienced, or saner than we are.
The purpose of this discourse is to try to convince you that we are very likely right, and you very likely wrong! That is, to convince you that your thoughts are OCD – not to be trusted, and thus to be ignored (put in their proper place). By continuing to wonder as to the true character of your thoughts, you are feeding the thoughts and throwing the pearls of peace to the pigs of OCD. Please trust us that your unwanted thoughts are OCD and ignore them! Even if these thoughts were yours, we believe they would still be forgivable. So, just look at Jesus – he paid for your passage to heaven; he should be your focus, not your negative thoughts, nor your own sins whether real or imagined. Remember he lived and died and now is in glory all so that he could carry our burden of sin and fear – the very same burden that you continue to cling to. Give it to him! Take the freedom he offers and just rest in him!
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zingiber
Post nubila, Phoebus
By the way, I know what you mean about the temper. I will bump by head, and my brain will try to blaspheme. I just reject that thought. Sometimes it helps to thank God for the annoying circumstance, believe it or not. It really does help you change your focus and feel a lot better.
Also, if you want to care about something, you are in the very act of caring about that something! Do you see?
Also, if you want to care about something, you are in the very act of caring about that something! Do you see?
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That was a good post you had, but the only thing I could focus on was whne you said, "we believe you are forgiven." & "it is likely its ocd." I cant take this just want to sleep all the time so the thoughts dont come, I hate myself.
Because although its likly this is ocd its also likly its not and even though you all believe i could be forgiven God may not think the same thing and Im pretty sure some of these thoughts have been from me.
Because although its likly this is ocd its also likly its not and even though you all believe i could be forgiven God may not think the same thing and Im pretty sure some of these thoughts have been from me.
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Personally, I'm powerless against my demons.
I get no help unless I physically/overtly ask for Jesus to step in.
Understanding this, I usually say/pray... satan, in the name of The Lord Jesus, be gone.
Without The Lords help, I'm a goner. Satan knows my buttons and how to push them. But Jesus protects me from all that.......... when I ask.
I ask too, and Ive been asking for about a year now---it used to help me when I asked God but not anymore.
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Mobiosity
American by birth; Southern by the grace of God.
God knows how you are, how how you've been and what thoughts you've had and loves you so much that He arranged for you to be forgiven before you even existed. Jesus died so that was possible.
And in my 53 years I'm sure I've done much worse, and thought much worse than you will ever be possible of.
Yes it is. It's also a thing that, when you get the right medication and maybe some therapy, may go away or at least help you to handle it.
I know it sounds like circular thinking, but when you have suffered from it the way we have (not the royal we (lol) the we of all the posters to this thread), we're trying to explain it to you in a way that might have helped us in the past; and may still help us now.
One other thing, when these thoughts hit you, turn right around mentally and say "God, these are yours to deal with. They are too much for me." When I start worrying, I dump it on God. I can't change it, I am not expected to handle it; He wants it off my shoulders and on His. After all, He created the universe and everything in it, I'm just a middle-aged divorcee'.
If any of the posts in this thread have helped you, print them out and read them as often as necessary.
And in my 53 years I'm sure I've done much worse, and thought much worse than you will ever be possible of.
Yes it is. It's also a thing that, when you get the right medication and maybe some therapy, may go away or at least help you to handle it.
Yes I have done it. When I think of something bad I've done, or thought, I remind myself that God knows how bad I am, how bad I've been and what awful thoughts I've had and loves me so much that He arranged for me to be forgiven before I even existed. Jesus died so that was possible. I can't stop the thoughts from coming and I can't help but feel bad for what I've thought and I know that I have accepted Jesus sacrifice and I am saved; no matter what my mind says. Once you have accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior, there is nothing you can do, you're saved. NOTHING!! that will remove YOUR salvation.
Of course you care. You are showing that you care, by worrying that you don't care. If you truly didn't care, it wouldn't even cross your mind whether you care or not.
I know it sounds like circular thinking, but when you have suffered from it the way we have (not the royal we (lol) the we of all the posters to this thread), we're trying to explain it to you in a way that might have helped us in the past; and may still help us now.
One other thing, when these thoughts hit you, turn right around mentally and say "God, these are yours to deal with. They are too much for me." When I start worrying, I dump it on God. I can't change it, I am not expected to handle it; He wants it off my shoulders and on His. After all, He created the universe and everything in it, I'm just a middle-aged divorcee'.
If any of the posts in this thread have helped you, print them out and read them as often as necessary.
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Mobiosity
American by birth; Southern by the grace of God.
You need to keep asking, you need to spend a little time reading what God says about not fearing and depending on Him. Memorize it and when the thoughts "attack", ask God for help and quote the scriptures that have helped you. Satan can't stand the scriptures and the more you get scripture into your mind and soul the more tools you have for fighting.
Isaiah 43:1
[ Israel's Only Savior ] But now, this is what the LORD says he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
Philippians 4:6
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
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I guess I just try to look at the thoughts as if, "did i mean it when i thought it." and I cant remember all of my thoughts I know hundered or more have passed through my head and I cant remember if in each one I remember it or not and if I meant it.
& when they come on I cant stop to say anything like, "God these are yours." because mine come on really strong and I say other things in my head to try to get them to go away. I cant say anything about God or they will come on.
& im sick on my mind trying to make me think that they could be real, or the truth and they aren't and i just want to know that God loves me no matter what. I mean what if I have committed the unforgiveable sin, does He really love me? & if He really did why not forgive me?
& Im not trying to grade whose thoughts are worse or anything, lol. But on a serious note I mean Ive had thoughts that are EXACTLY what the pharasiess said that made Jesus condem them as unforgiveable. & I dont know if I mean them, I dont want to but I dont know if I mean them or not.
& when they come on I cant stop to say anything like, "God these are yours." because mine come on really strong and I say other things in my head to try to get them to go away. I cant say anything about God or they will come on.
& im sick on my mind trying to make me think that they could be real, or the truth and they aren't and i just want to know that God loves me no matter what. I mean what if I have committed the unforgiveable sin, does He really love me? & if He really did why not forgive me?
& Im not trying to grade whose thoughts are worse or anything, lol. But on a serious note I mean Ive had thoughts that are EXACTLY what the pharasiess said that made Jesus condem them as unforgiveable. & I dont know if I mean them, I dont want to but I dont know if I mean them or not.
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& I dont know if I have ocd or not (i had a conselor tell me I had an anxiety problem & ocd symptoms---but thats all she said).
but all I know is that ocd or not I DONT want to be this way. & I want God to change me and I know that He has to be just but I dont know why He wouldn forgive someone who wants it, I can understand people who dont want to be forgiven or dont want to have anything to do with Him, but I WANT too and I just dont understand that.
but all I know is that ocd or not I DONT want to be this way. & I want God to change me and I know that He has to be just but I dont know why He wouldn forgive someone who wants it, I can understand people who dont want to be forgiven or dont want to have anything to do with Him, but I WANT too and I just dont understand that.
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God sometimes heals supernaturally. Most of the time, when He heals, he does so through medicine. Once you get the right medication and possibly some therapy, you'll see a world of difference.
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But I mean do you all think that I have a chance at salvation? Does this really sound like ocd? My counselor said I had an anxiety problem an ocd symptoms, but she never really gave me a diagnosis. I'm afraid to go anymore, because I'm afraid someone will tell me that I'm going to Hell & even though that may very well be true, I dont WANT to hear it.
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Not only do you have a chance. You already have it. It's to you that many will come to receive their salvation. If I were there, I would wash your feet.
Look again at the person in the mirror. Love her, for she is loved. Forgive her, for this burden is much too much to bear. Relish her scars, for they define her path. Accept her beauty, for this brings souls to her. And reach out to those in need, for your job has just begun.
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Thanks, JusSumGuy.
It's like my mind makes these thoughts, combinds them. But at the same time my mind fights them off and they scare me. Is that ocd'like?
It's like my mind makes these thoughts, combinds them. But at the same time my mind fights them off and they scare me. Is that ocd'like?
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zingiber
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You are quite right - I wondered while writing it whether I should make them straight positives, but then decided against it. I must be getting out of touch! But would it make any difference if I had said "It is OCD", or even, "IT IS ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY 100% OCD"? You would probably still worry, I think. I would! We can say what we like, but for it to help you, you have to act on it.
Caty, you can be forgiven. What we want you to see is that even if there is some doubt, the bulk of the evidence points towards your 'savibility'. What you must do is see the hope, and throw out the doubt, focusing on Jesus who removes all your guilt.
As to your later posts: even with no sure OCD diagnosis, your thoughts are not normal. Anyway, I am diagnosed, and from all that I have read here we are two very much identical peas in a pod! I don’t think that there is one thing that you write of in this thread that I haven’t thought myself. That is how I know you have OCD, and I assume the same goes for all the rest of us trying to help you. If you don’t have OCD it makes no difference. If you want salvation, you ask God for it, he gives it, and then he never takes it away.
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