I'm really confused.

[Caty]

I picked up a book my mom had bought today & it was called something like, "Answers to all you Biblical Questions." and I read the part about blasphemy and it had all of the opinions in it except the one about just saying something about the Holy Spirit so that made me feel better.

& KayKay I really appreciate you trying to help me, I dont want you to think that I dont, but its like...its just your 'opinion'. l it helps me for a min, but then again i look at it as though it could just be wrong and what if the other peoples opinions are right? do you understand what im trying to say and Im not meaning to be rude or anything im really not. im just so scared, i cannot even look at anything biblical w/out bad thoughts.

I just feel like its many peoples opinions and God word (that if I say or think that thing about the Holy Spirit Ill go to hell) that are just hloding me over until I get there. Im SO scared of dyeing because I dont want to go to Hell and its almost like im fighting off these thoughts trying to convince me these things are true about Him, its just like I KNOW they are from me and that scares the life out of me, i dont want to be this way at all, and if this is me i want to ask Jesus to heal me and change me but to me the bible says no, that i cant be forgiven.

 

[annrobert]

Caty,

Those pharasees believed the thoughts and words they said.
They were not frightened of them or fighting them off.
They never ever repented from the thoughts or words they said.
They believed the thoughts and words they said and they were quite content with their beliefs and words.


They never ever came to Jesus for forgiveness and mercy
They did not want Jesus.
They did not ever believe in Jesus

If they believed in Jesus they would have had eternal life.

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Those pharasees did not believe in Jesus.


They believed the awful things they said
and they were quite satisfied and happy with what they said
they never fought against it and they never came to Jesus.

If they came to Jesus they would in no wise have been cast out.


Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.


They did not believe in Jesus.

They never came to Jesus for mercy and forgiveness.


39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.



Psalm 33
13The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.

14From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
15He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.
16There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.
17An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
18Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
19To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
20Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.
21For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. 22Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.


We are not delivered by much strength.
We can do nothing of ourselves.
But Jesus heals the broken hearted.
We wait and hope in Jesus, He is our help.
We can always cry out to Jesus.

 

[kaykay9.0]

I picked up a book my mom had bought today & it was called something like, "Answers to all you Biblical Questions." and I read the part about blasphemy and it had all of the opinions in it except the one about just saying something about the Holy Spirit so that made me feel better.

& KayKay I really appreciate you trying to help me, I dont want you to think that I dont, but its like...its just your 'opinion'. l it helps me for a min, but then again i look at it as though it could just be wrong and what if the other peoples opinions are right? do you understand what im trying to say and Im not meaning to be rude or anything im really not. im just so scared, i cannot even look at anything biblical w/out bad thoughts.

I just feel like its many peoples opinions and God word (that if I say or think that thing about the Holy Spirit Ill go to hell) that are just hloding me over until I get there. Im SO scared of dyeing because I dont want to go to Hell and its almost like im fighting off these thoughts trying to convince me these things are true about Him, its just like I KNOW they are from me and that scares the life out of me, i dont want to be this way at all, and if this is me i want to ask Jesus to heal me and change me but to me the bible says no, that i cant be forgiven.

Yes, Caty, it IS just my opinion! And I am quick to point that out too. But I am old, (54 years old!) and I have been a Christian a long, long time. And I have battled OCD a long time as well. So just chalk it up from someone who's been around awhile and read and studied the bible for many years, you will not generally derive an accurate biblical interpretation by only zeroing in on one scripture and not relating it to what the rest of the Bible also says. Yes, this is just my opinion, but again after years of Bible study and years of living as a Christian, I think it is a sound one, again not just about this topic but many things found in scripture. You can obviously decide for yourself if you agree or not.

The thing is, with OCD, reassurances, no matter how valid, just don't last. Our OCD will pick up any little uncertainty. That's where the battle lies. Praying for you, Caty~

 

[RobertZ]

Caty,

Those pharasees believed the thoughts and words they said.
They were not frightened of them or fighting them off.
They never ever repented from the thoughts or words they said.
They believed the thoughts and words they said and they were quite content with their beliefs and words.


They never ever came to Jesus for forgiveness and mercy
They did not want Jesus.
They did not ever believe in Jesus

If they believed in Jesus they would have had eternal life.

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Those pharasees did not believe in Jesus.


They believed the awful things they said
and they were quite satisfied and happy with what they said
they never fought against it and they never came to Jesus.

If they came to Jesus they would in no wise have been cast out.


Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.


They did not believe in Jesus.

They never came to Jesus for mercy and forgiveness.

Caty what Ann is saying here is true and this is so not you!

 

[Caty]

But see thats what I fear is that Im starting to believe it and thats like I have this awful image of God an I dont want to be like that, its like i have to try to tell mysel;f that those awful things are not true about Him.

Everytime I dont get my way or anything bad happens I have bad thoughts about Him, (like what the pharasiess said) but i also try to not have them at the same time. but then i haunts me "why would you think such a thing about God or how evil are you to think such a thing." and its true im an awful person and i dont want to be like this. i dont know if this is me and i dont know if i mean these thoughts and there is no way for me to figure it out, what if im just afraid to say it or come to grips with that im the horrid person, why was evem born, why do i have to live a life that if worth nothing, i have no quality of life.

& i appreciate people trying to help me but no body really knows what that sin is and when people say look at it through the rest of the bible, well what if you just look at it within that scripture? then everything else means the same thing. you cant be forgiven, at all, no exceptions. with other sins God lists that you can be forgiven. but not with this one.

 

[annrobert]

But see thats what I fear is that Im starting to believe it and thats like I have this awful image of God an I dont want to be like that, its like i have to try to tell mysel;f that those awful things are not true about Him.

Caty,

You are not starting to believe it, If you believed it you would not be fighting against it, you would be content with it.

But you are not content with it,
You are resisting it and not wanting it.
You know Jesus is good and that is why you want Him.
Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

When those pharasees spoke a word , they were speaking their strong opinion and were quite satified with their opinion and never repented of it.

Everytime I dont get my way or anything bad happens I have bad thoughts about Him, (like what the pharasiess said) but i also try to not have them at the same time. but then i haunts me "why would you think such a thing about God or how evil are you to think such a thing." and its true im an awful person and i dont want to be like this.

Caty,
this is all ocd an affliction from the carnal mind and not the heart.
We are all sinners and Jesus came to save us and not condemn us.
People who have a strong opinion about something do not worry about it and resist it.
Athiests are not concerned about their strong beliefs.


i dont know if this is me and i dont know if i mean these thoughts and there is no way for me to figure it out, what if im just afraid to say it or come to grips with that im the horrid person, why was evem born, why do i have to live a life that if worth nothing, i have no quality of life.


Caty Jesus is annointed to heal the broken hearted and to set at liberty those who are bruised.
You will not always be suffering.
We are welcome to to come boldy to Jesus throne of grace to receive grace and mercy in time of need.
We come just as we are and will never be cast out.
Jesus gives us a hope and a future
and hope does not disappoint.
We wait and hope in Jesus our Redeemer.

Romans 8:18
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.



& i appreciate people trying to help me but no body really knows what that sin is and when people say look at it through the rest of the bible, well what if you just look at it within that scripture? then everything else means the same thing. you cant be forgiven, at all, no exceptions. with other sins God lists that you can be forgiven. but not with this one.

This much I do know,


anyone who does that sin never comes to Jesus.


Because Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.


This much I know anyone who does that sin does not believe in Jesus


because Jesus said verily verily I say unto you he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.


Psalm 27


1The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
2When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
3Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.
4One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.
5For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
6And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.
7Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.
8When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.
9Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.
10When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
11Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.
12Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.
13I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living. 14Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.


We know that Jesus is good and beautiful and our strength and our protection and this is why we want to be with Him and seek Him so much.
We know Jesus ways are perfect.
We know Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life.

Athiests do not want Jesus , they do not know He is good and do not want Him.
They do not hope in Jesus.
They do not believe they need a Saviour.
Only believers know they need a Saviour and want to be forgiven and live with Jesus.

 

[annrobert]

Yes, Caty, it IS just my opinion! And I am quick to point that out too. But I am old, (54 years old!) and I have been a Christian a long, long time. And I have battled OCD a long time as well. So just chalk it up from someone who's been around awhile and read and studied the bible for many years, you will not generally derive an accurate biblical interpretation by only zeroing in on one scripture and not relating it to what the rest of the Bible also says. Yes, this is just my opinion, but again after years of Bible study and years of living as a Christian, I think it is a sound one, again not just about this topic but many things found in scripture. You can obviously decide for yourself if you agree or not.

The thing is, with OCD, reassurances, no matter how valid, just don't last. Our OCD will pick up any little uncertainty. That's where the battle lies. Praying for you, Caty~

Amen Kaykay,
your posts are always full of wisdom and inspiring and encouraging.
Awesome

 

[Caty]

thanks that makes me feel some better because of thoughs scriptures but then there are some people who say that it doesnt matter. that if you have done it it doesnt matter if you repent because you cant be forgiven

 

[seajoy]

The thing is, with OCD, reassurances, no matter how valid, just don't last. Our OCD will pick up any little uncertainty. That's where the battle lies.

You are so right, kaykay. There is a lot of reassurance going on in this forum...but it does not help the ocd'er. It contributes to the vicious circle of ocd. It only helps for a moment....then it's right back to the old scary ways.

We mean well, but.....

 

[annrobert]

thanks that makes me feel some better because of thoughs scriptures but then there are some people who say that it doesnt matter. that if you have done it it doesnt matter if you repent because you cant be forgiven

It is best to believe what Jesus says above those people.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

 

[Mobiosity]

thanks that makes me feel some better because of thoughs scriptures but then there are some people who say that it doesnt matter. that if you have done it it doesnt matter if you repent because you cant be forgiven

It was explained to me that if you're worried about having committed the "unforgivable sin" then you haven't committed it. You obviously haven't done anything God can't/won't forgive you for. I can tell you that for sure, because you're not bigger than God and you're not badder than God is good and forgiving.

 

[annrobert]

It was explained to me that if you're worried about having committed the "unforgivable sin" then you haven't committed it. You obviously haven't done anything God can't/won't forgive you for. I can tell you that for sure, because you're not bigger than God and you're not badder than God is good and forgiving.

Amen Mobiosity

 

[Caty]

I wish I could always think like that, but I mean God does have His limits and He has to be just? I feel like God is ready to pour His wrath upon me.

 

[Caty]

It is best to believe what Jesus says above those people.

Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you he that believeth on Me has everlasting life.

Im not trying to argue with you and I promise, but what about Jesus cleary saying that what the pharasiess did was unforgiveable and i think ive done pretty much that. but you all say that im forgiveable.

i read some where people saying that we just dont want to believe the Jesus would say something or that we just dont like it and that people have changed His words for so long surrounding this topic that, thats how we get the whole "if you feel bad you havent done it." because even though the Holy Spirit is the one convicting you, that Jesus said it was unforgiveable no matter what, He gave no clauses or exceptions.

 

[annrobert]

Caty,

that sin does not apply to anyone who believes in Jesus

It does not apply to anyone who comes to Jesus


If they committed that sin

they would not want Jesus

would not believe in Jesus

and would not come to Jesus




Jesus said he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out

Jesus said verily verily I say unto you he that believeth on Me has everlasting life


Jesus words will not pass away

the scripture cannot be broken for any reason



Jesus words are Truth and Life


If we believe in Jesus we will in no wise be cast out

If we believe in Jesus we have everlasting life



Jesus mercy is new every morning


There is no exceptions or conditions or clauses to these promises.

Jesus said come to Me all ye who labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.


Jesus said whosoever will may come and drink freely from the Water of Life.

No conditions , or clauses or exceptions.

 

[Mobiosity]

Im not trying to argue with you and I promise, but what about Jesus cleary saying that what the pharasiess did was unforgiveable and i think ive done pretty much that. but you all say that im forgiveable.

i read some where people saying that we just dont want to believe the Jesus would say something or that we just dont like it and that people have changed His words for so long surrounding this topic that, thats how we get the whole "if you feel bad you havent done it." because even though the Holy Spirit is the one convicting you, that Jesus said it was unforgiveable no matter what, He gave no clauses or exceptions.

You obviously haven't done anything God can't/won't forgive you for. I can tell you that for sure, because you're not bigger than God and you're not badder than God is good and forgiving.

 

[Sonicwhite]

Are you on med's Caty? I see ur post's alot and you go round and round on this hamster wheel. I would suggest, Luvox, Zoloft or Anafrinal. Cos these med's can greatly reduce your symptoms. If your scared to take med's that understandable. I tried to get off of them and I thought I was going insane. Also Benzo's would be a good option for you to, to reduce the anxiety. You want to see Jesus, you want him to lay his arm around you and say you are forgivin. But if you think about it would that really help or would your mind say well is it, is it, what if. You cannot find that answer this way no matter what. And you got to recalibrate you concsience to say doctor's will help me.Satan want's to hender you from building the Kingdom. And I understand your pain. But med's I think are a good option for you.

 

[Mobiosity]

Are you on med's Caty? I see ur post's alot and you go round and round on this hamster wheel. I would suggest, Luvox, Zoloft or Anafrinal. Cos these med's can greatly reduce your symptoms. If your scared to take med's that understandable. I tried to get off of them and I thought I was going insane. Also Benzo's would be a good option for you to, to reduce the anxiety. You want to see Jesus, you want him to lay his arm around you and say you are forgivin. But if you think about it would that really help or would your mind say well is it, is it, what if. You cannot find that answer this way no matter what. And you got to recalibrate you concsience to say doctor's will help me.Satan want's to hender you from building the Kingdom. And I understand your pain. But med's I think are a good option for you.

Absolutely. Zoloft worked wonders in my life.

 

[Caty]

Its like anything & I mean ANYTHING that pertains to anything Holy or about God or christian I have terrible thoughts. & i hate it, i mean i try to fight it but its hard when your in public. but i still fear they are from me, and if it is me than I DO NOT want it to be. I hate being this way soooo bad. I hope God will forgive me, because if im this awful person I need forgivenes really bad and i dont want to be like this.

 

[seajoy]

Its like anything & I mean ANYTHING that pertains to anything Holy or about God or christian I have terrible thoughts. & i hate it, i mean i try to fight it but its hard when your in public. but i still fear they are from me, and if it is me than I DO NOT want it to be. I hate being this way soooo bad. I hope God will forgive me, because if im this awful person I need forgivenes really bad and i dont want to be like this.

It is imperative for you to realize that all these thoughts are OCD. I used to be just like you - now I rarely think of these things. Don't fight the thoughts anymore - let them come and go on with your day. You must start somewhere, Caty. Give yourself this Christmas gift. It worked for me to do this. I was so bad off, I couldn't even walk...I crawled. I spent many days and nights on psych wards thinking I was going to hell. They are only thoughts, Caty.....trust me....I've been there.

You can do this - I did. I had the exact same thoughts as you are having. May God bless your efforts to get well.