"I'm not an expert, BUT......."

[AV1611VET]

Murder by Death - Sam Diamond - YouTube

Reminds me of this:

Boys Beware - 1950's AntiGay Video - YouTube

 

[Nathan Poe]

Just as I thought.

Anyone can accuse the Scriptures of espousing geocentrism, can't they?

But it's more useful to discuss the people who used the Scriptures to espouse geoentricism.

They were wrong about that, just as you're wrong about everything else you try to give the Bile credit for.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Don't worry -- we'll be glad to do our best to tell you what It says.

That's what we're here for.

We already know what it says -- we can read.

You're supposed to be giving people a reason to care what it says -- a "great commission" at which you've shown yourself to be a laughable failure time after time.

 

[AV1611VET]

But it's more useful to discuss the people who used the Scriptures to espouse geoentricism.

More useful to whom? you?

You want to discuss those who used science to commit atrocities first?

People [mis]used the Scriptures to justify the Crusades; and even today, you guys call us ... ironists for not hunting witches; so what makes you any better than those you criticize in the past?

What exactly is your point?

 

[AV1611VET]

We already know what it says -- we can read.

Uh-huh ... so I notice.

And I'm thankful we don't interpret the Scriptures like you guys do.

 

[mzungu]

Please show me geocentrism in the Bible, using verses that cannot be construed any other way, or semantics that is unique.

In other words, don't show me verses that use the same expressions as we use today -- like 'sunrise' or 'sunset'; but show me clear-cut geocentrism.

While you're at it, I would very much be interested in knowing which specific passage(s) convince you that geocentrism is taught in the Scriptures.

(Or am I going to have to take your point with a grain of salt?)

God commanded the Sun to stop (Isaiah 40:22 & Job 26:7) This is only possible if the sun orbits the Earth. Otherwise God would have commanded the Earth to stop!

 

[mzungu]

What puzzles me is that Bible literals choose what to keep literally and what not. Who gave them the right to choose what to keep and what to disregard when the scriptures are God's word and Jesus commanded us not to change an iota and that all scriptures must be upheld till the end of time.

If one declares that he adheres to a literal Bible then let him kill a disobedient child or be damned for disregarding the scriptures!

Of course there would not be a need for such things if the Bible was used as a spiritual guide rather than a literal text book!

 

[Nathan Poe]

More useful to whom? you?

You want to discuss those who used science to commit atrocities first?

As much fun as it would be to watch you tap dance and desperately change the subject, I don't believe for one second that you're capable of discussing people -- personal responsibility is all but unheard of among you religious types.

People [mis]used the Scriptures to justify the Crusades; and even today, you guys call us ... ironists for not hunting witches; so what makes you any better than those you criticize in the past?

What exactly is your point?

My point is that you misuse the scriptures on a daily basis, AV -- and you know what they say about glass houses.

 

[AV1611VET]

God commanded the Sun to stop (Isaiah 40:22 & Job 26:7) This is only possible if the sun orbits the Earth. Otherwise God would have commanded the Earth to stop!

Don't you mean Joshua 10:12-13?

I asked, and I received -- thank you.

HOWEVER, let me say this much: the Joshua passage indeed is written in geocentric terms; but that is the easiest way to communicate what happened, without resorting to verbiage.

We speak today of a geostationary satellite being fixed and not moving, when in fact, it is moving at thousands of miles per hour.

 

[AV1611VET]

What puzzles me is that Bible literals choose what to keep literally and what not.

As we should; otherwise, your example at the end of your post would result.

Who gave them the right to choose what to keep and what to disregard when the scriptures are God's word and Jesus commanded us not to change an iota and that all scriptures must be upheld till the end of time.

God did.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

If one declares that he adheres to a literal Bible then let him kill a disobedient child or be damned for disregarding the scriptures!

This is why I'm glad you guys aren't in control of what goes on.

Of course there would not be a need for such things if the Bible was used as a spiritual guide rather than a literal text book!

The Bible is literal.

As J. Dwight Pentecost points out, the literal method of interpretation allows for allegory.

Do you take the newspaper literally?

 

[AV1611VET]

As much fun as it would be to watch you tap dance and desperately change the subject, I don't believe for one second that you're capable of discussing people -- personal responsibility is all but unheard of among you religious types.

Then by all means, do it for those you think would understand -- like your contemporaries.

Feel free to tell them who used science to commit atrocities; don't let lil' ol' me stop you.

Or, as I suspect, you're just blowing smoke?

 

[mzungu]

We speak today of a geostationary satellite being fixed and not moving, when in fact, it is moving at thousands of miles per hour.

Geostationary is correct. It means that relative to the Earth the object stays stationary. Everything in the universe moves. Even our galaxy moves at speeds that defy the mind. Our sun moves.

AV, In science; Movement and speed are relative to the observer. If we were both in a train travelling at 200 kph and we were sitting still besides each other then relative to each other we would be motionless. To an observer who is standing on the station while the train passes, we would be travelling at 200 kph.

Motion and speed are always relative to the observer since there is really no fixed point anywhere in the universe to use as an origin.

 

[mzungu]

Don't you mean Joshua 10:12-13?

I asked, and I received -- thank you.

Yes my mistake!

 

[Belk]

Go ahead AV. Deliberately miss the point again and try to make this about geocentrism.

Just as I thought.

Anyone can accuse the Scriptures of espousing geocentrism, can't they?

The trick is backing it up.

What's even sadder though, is that you can't (or won't) tell me why you believe it.

Hey look, AV trying to make it about geocentrism instead of addressing the point. I must be a prophet.

 

[Split Rock]

If the "experts" contradict the bible then all you need is a little common sense to know the "experts" are wrong.

Common sense is often wrong. And btw, you really mean: If the experts contradict my fallible interpretation of the bible then all you need is a huge ego to "know" the experts are wrong.

The fact that the the previous generation of "experts" were refuted suggests they were never "experts" on the subject in the first place. They were simply wrong.

I guess the only ""experts"" that are never wrong, are the self-proclaimed bible ""experts."" Correct?

No. I simply reject your reality in favor of the reality the bible describes.

There is only one reality. You guys just don't like it.

 

[Split Rock]

Just as I thought.

Anyone can accuse the Scriptures of espousing geocentrism, can't they?

The trick is backing it up.

What's even sadder though, is that you can't (or won't) tell me why you believe it.

The Bible certainly infers geocentrism. You know all the reasons... Joshua, earth made first and the sun just a lamp, earth center of the universe, earth unmovable, etc., etc. The authors certainly were geocentrists. Most importantly, nothing in scripture infers heliocentrism.

Uh-huh ... so I notice.

And I'm thankful we don't interpret the Scriptures like you guys do.

That's too bad... because then you might actually understand the books you think so very highly of. Of course, for you guys its not about understanding the bible.. its about the easy way and the "feel good" way.

 

[AV1611VET]

And btw, you really mean: If the "experts" contradict my fallible interpretation of the bible then all you need is a huge ego to know the "experts" are wrong.


I guess the only ""experts"" that are never wrong, are the self-proclaimed bible ""experts."" Correct?

Split Rock, just for your edification, we are to:

Romans 14:5 Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I'm not going to go around using the language of fallibility, while at the same time claiming persuasion, just to please you guys here.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible certainly infers geocentrism.

Nope -- It uses geocentric terminology, so as to maintain Its ease of understanding the passage and teachability (to little children).

The authors certainly were geocentrists.

You interviewed them personally, did you?

For argument's sake though, let's say they were.

What about it?

Most importantly, nothing in scripture infers heliocentrism.

Well ain't that too bad?

Using the Bible for a science manual is like using Bill Gate's diary for a computer manual.

That's too bad... because then you might actually understand the books you think so very highly of.

Ya -- from behind bars.

 

[Split Rock]

Split Rock, just for your edification, we are to:

Romans 14:5 Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I'm not going to go around using the language of fallibility, while at the same time claiming persuasion, just to please you guys here.

How about being a little more honest about fallibility?

 

[Split Rock]

Nope -- It uses geocentric terminology, so as to maintain Its ease of understanding the passage and teachability (to little children).

You interviewed them (the authors) personally, did you?

You interviewed them personally, did you?

Beat you to it! (well... not really )

For argument's sake though, let's say they were.
What about it?

They wrote about things the way they understood them... not necessarily how they really were.

Well ain't that too bad?

I agree.

Using the Bible for a science manual is like using Bill Gate's diary for a computer manual.

I agree again.. why then do you guys keep using it the wrong way???

Ya -- from behind bars.

Not sure what that is refering to.