"I'm not an expert, BUT......."

[Doveaman]

We see creationists here claiming to know that the experts are all wrong... even when the creationists themselves are admittedly ignorant of the subject matter. It seems that if you read the bible and have "common sense," that you can critique the experts on stuff you know nothing about. How exactly, does this work?

If the "experts" contradict the bible then all you need is a little common sense to know the "experts" are wrong.

 

[Doveaman]

The experimentation and observation that would refute the previous generation would never have been possible without them.

The fact that the the previous generation of "experts" were refuted suggests they were never "experts" on the subject in the first place. They were simply wrong.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

If the "experts" contradict the bible then all you need is a little common sense to know the "experts" are wrong.

Only if you pre-suppose that the Bible is infallible. Do we throw reality out the window when it contradicts the Bible?

 

[juvenissun]

You had a problem with trends, I showed you that they spontaneously emerge even from complete randomness, I even showed you why the particular trend we were talking about should go the way it went, and that's what you take away from it? Something it didn't actually demonstrate, and was never meant to?

FWIW, the "statistic meaning of random" is not 50%. "Random" simply means that the exact same starting conditions can lead to different outcomes. It's common for people to think that "random" means "everything is equally likely", but that's most definitely not true.

[Aside: a minor correction to the description of my experiment. There were only 999 generations in which complexity evolved, because I forgot to change some numbers in my code. Doesn't make much of a difference, but I don't like leaving errors in my posts ]

You are wrong on more than one point.

(1) I didn't say evolution was random. I said that even IF it were, trends would emerge.

(2) Randomness means precisely the opposite of what you say. If evolution is random, you can (a) never predict a trend with 100% certainty, though the larger your sample, the more certain the prediction; (b) even if the trend you predict goes according to expectations, you cannot predict which specific lineages will create the trend. Just like if you flip 100 coins, you can be reasonably sure there will be about 50 heads and 50 tails among them, but you can't tell which coins will land tails.

Random means no trend. What is wrong with that? (your little program defined the random, not the trend).

Evolution is random. Why is it not?

 

[Belk]

If the "experts" contradict the bible then all you need is a little common sense to know the "experts" are wrong.

That's why the "experts" who contradicted the "bible" on the questions of geocentrism and the germ theory of disease where so far off huh? Well, fortunatly for you it is impossible that you could be as wrong about how to correctly interpret the bible as those people where huh?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Random means no trend. What is wrong with that? (your little program defined the random, not the trend).

Evolution is random. Why is it not?

Mutation is random, and is not the only thing that occurs in evolution. Natural selection is not a random process at all.

I swear that I and many others have brought this up to you before.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's why the "experts" who contradicted the "bible" on the questions of geocentrism and the germ theory of disease where so far off huh? Well, fortunatly for you it is impossible that you could be as wrong about how to correctly interpret the bible as those people where huh?

Please show me geocentrism in the Bible, using verses that cannot be construed any other way, or semantics that is unique.

In other words, don't show me verses that use the same expressions as we use today -- like 'sunrise' or 'sunset'; but show me clear-cut geocentrism.

While you're at it, I would very much be interested in knowing which specific passage(s) convince you that geocentrism is taught in the Scriptures.

(Or am I going to have to take your point with a grain of salt?)

 

[Jazer]

"Proper hand-washing was difficult to achieve in those days . The lack of indoor plumbing made it difficult to get water. In order to make the water comfortably warm, it would have to be heated over a fire. Given advancements in education, modern plumbing, and emerging challenges related to increasing antibiotic resistance, it is difficult to understand how physicians are resistant to the most fundamental infection control practice."

Hand-Washing | Infection Control | Food Safety | HyGenius

Every time I hear the hype about how wonderful Science is, I think about how many babies or mothers die because someone did not wash their hands. They establish that there is a 40% mortality rate at birth if the people do not wash their hands.

I remember my son, he use to tell me I am bigger now, I am more grown up. I do not make the mistakes I made when I was younger. Now Science is trying to tell me we are all grown up now. We do not make the mistakes we made when we were younger, you can trust us now.

For me, I am not convinced.

 

[Jazer]

Well, fortunatly for you it is impossible that you could be as wrong about how to correctly interpret the bible as those people where huh?

So you feel pretty good about your interpretation of the Bible? What are you willing to wager that you got it right?

 

[Doveaman]

Only if you pre-suppose that the Bible is infallible. Do we throw reality out the window when it contradicts the Bible?

No. I simply reject your reality in favor of the reality the bible describes.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Proper hand-washing was difficult to achieve in those days . The lack of indoor plumbing made it difficult to get water. In order to make the water comfortably warm, it would have to be heated over a fire. Given advancements in education, modern plumbing, and emerging challenges related to increasing antibiotic resistance, it is difficult to understand how physicians are resistant to the most fundamental infection control practice."

This is one of my favorite passages in the Scriptures:

Leviticus 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;
4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
5 That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land.
6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,
7 And for thy cattle, and for the beast that are in thy land, shall all the increase thereof be meat.

Pest control -- without chemicals.

-- And some call these guys 'ignorant bronze-age nomads'?

 

[Jazer]

Pest control -- without chemicals.

-- And some call these guys 'ignorant bronze-age nomads'?

My wife will not use chemicals on our lawn or garden. I figure if it kills plants it most likely is not good for humans either. Now I hear stories about dead zones in our ocean. "These "dead zones" are caused by an excess of nitrogen from farm fertilizers, sewage and emissions from vehicles and factories." 150 'dead zones' in world's oceans - US news - Environment - msnbc.com

"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and
it became as the blood of a dead man: and
every living soul died in the sea." Rev 16:3

Chalk another one up for Science. Anyone care to sing their praise?

 

[Nathan Poe]

If the "experts" contradict the bible then all you need is a little common sense to know the "experts" are wrong.

be a good boy and run along and find a literalist with common sense, so that we can put that statement to the test.

 

[Belk]

Please show me geocentrism in the Bible, using verses that cannot be construed any other way, or semantics that is unique.

In other words, don't show me verses that use the same expressions as we use today -- like 'sunrise' or 'sunset'; but show me clear-cut geocentrism.

While you're at it, I would very much be interested in knowing which specific passage(s) convince you that geocentrism is taught in the Scriptures.

(Or am I going to have to take your point with a grain of salt?)

Don't ask me AV. I couldn't care less. Ask the Christians who got it wrong on so many different occasions. Oh, but as an independent baptist it is impossible for you to interprete the bible incorrectly isn't it AV? The fact that all those other Christians point out the large body of evidence that says you are wrong is just the devils work, huh? Go ahead AV. Deliberately miss the point again and try to make this about geocentrism.

 

[Belk]

So you feel pretty good about your interpretation of the Bible? What are you willing to wager that you got it right?

Me, I have no interest in interpreting the bible right, wrong, or upside down.

 

[Nostromo]

Every time I hear the hype about how wonderful Science is, I think about how many babies or mothers die because someone did not wash their hands. They establish that there is a 40% mortality rate at birth if the people do not wash their hands.

I remember my son, he use to tell me I am bigger now, I am more grown up. I do not make the mistakes I made when I was younger. Now Science is trying to tell me we are all grown up now. We do not make the mistakes we made when we were younger, you can trust us now.

For me, I am not convinced.

Science isn't a bunch of people, it's a method of discovery. Science tells us the mortality rate, why it's happening and what we can do about it. If people ignore that information, whose fault is it when someone dies as a result?

 

[mzungu]

I am not sure when did those fake birds appeared. I guess it is in late Cretaceous. So, what did evolution do to the dinosaur during Triassic and Jurassic time? And why did dinosaurs "wait" till Cretaceous to change?

Why are you constantly referring to the Flintstone cartoon?

You have made it obvious that you know nothing about Evolution and yet you have taken it upon yourself to dismiss it with nothing more than cartoon logic

murder by death - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrBMEVBzh1E&NR=1

 

[AV1611VET]

Please show me geocentrism in the Bible, using verses that cannot be construed any other way, or semantics that is unique.

In other words, don't show me verses that use the same expressions as we use today -- like 'sunrise' or 'sunset'; but show me clear-cut geocentrism.

While you're at it, I would very much be interested in knowing which specific passage(s) convince you that geocentrism is taught in the Scriptures.

(Or am I going to have to take your point with a grain of salt?)

Don't ask me AV. I couldn't care less. Ask the Christians who got it wrong on so many different occasions. Oh, but as an independent baptist it is impossible for you to interprete the bible incorrectly isn't it AV? The fact that all those other Christians point out the large body of evidence that says you are wrong is just the devils work, huh? Go ahead AV. Deliberately miss the point again and try to make this about geocentrism.

Just as I thought.

Anyone can accuse the Scriptures of espousing geocentrism, can't they?

The trick is backing it up.

What's even sadder though, is that you can't (or won't) tell me why you believe it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Me, I have no interest in interpreting the bible right, wrong, or upside down.

Don't worry -- we'll be glad to do our best to tell you what It says.

That's what we're here for.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science isn't a bunch of people, it's a method of discovery. Science tells us the mortality rate, why it's happening and what we can do about it. If people ignore that information, whose fault is it when someone dies as a result?

The abortionists?