I'm jumping ship

[LovebirdsFlying]

In the past I have not felt welcome to post in Conservative or Fundamentalist areas. This is no longer the case.

I am a religious fundamentalist, a social liberal, but firm in my beliefs for Christ. I am now getting to where I relate more to the conservatives. I have so many liberal Christian friends. They are good-hearted. I respect liberal Christianity for what it is supposed to be: a reflection of Christ welcoming the lost with open arms, saving their souls and embracing them into fellowship with Him. But this isn't what I'm seeing happen lately. In very short leaps, "liberal Christian" can become "borderline Christian, but also affirming non-Christian beliefs." Then "borderline Christian" leads to "non-Christian," which quickly becomes "anti-Christian." And if I have to choose between pleasing people, and pleasing God, which will I choose?

If you will, despite the fact that I still believe government has no business regulating who can marry whom (church has every right, but government should not), please count me among the conservatives.

I feel like I've just cut off a limb...

 

[GreenMunchkin]

LBF, you are welcome here with OPEN arms So many of us feel at home in here, and it really is such a special corner of CF. We disagree, and we argue sometimes, but we're all rooted in scriptures, and completely in love with Lord. We're supportive of one another when it's needed, and we encourage each other to GROW in the Lord - we don't just pander to what we each want to hear. There's love, accountability and endless talk of God

Am so so glad you're here

 

[Nadiine]

In the past I have not felt welcome to post in Conservative or Fundamentalist areas. This is no longer the case.

I am a religious fundamentalist, a social liberal, but firm in my beliefs for Christ. I am now getting to where I relate more to the conservatives. I have so many liberal Christian friends. They are good-hearted. I respect liberal Christianity for what it is supposed to be: a reflection of Christ welcoming the lost with open arms, saving their souls and embracing them into fellowship with Him. But this isn't what I'm seeing happen lately. In very short leaps, "liberal Christian" can become "borderline Christian, but also affirming non-Christian beliefs." Then "borderline Christian" leads to "non-Christian," which quickly becomes "anti-Christian." And if I have to choose between pleasing people, and pleasing God, which will I choose?

If you will, despite the fact that I still believe government has no business regulating who can marry whom (church has every right, but government should not), please count me among the conservatives.

I feel like I've just cut off a limb...

It's my nature to pick out things to reply to lol --
so bear with me on this regarding social liberalism (which is important in getting along in a conservative forum w/ conservatives... unfortunately, the moderate forum isn't populated, you might actually be more moderate than conservative I dunno)... ANYHOOOOOOOOOO

K, in one regard I do see the point about govt. not interfering w/ who can marry - I say that for 1 reason: govt. already allows abortion, homosexuality, fornication, adultery, pornography & strip clubs, etc. why pick out this moral activity out of all others.
So in that 1 aspect, I can see where people are coming from in govt. regulating that - just like many Christians here think abortion should be decided state by state, not Fed. Govt.

The real issue is, do you believe homosexuality is sin.

Anyways, don't feel like you cut off a limb, it sounds like you're getting closer to the Lord (or more serious about your walk or more sensitive to God's Spirit) and are making some adjustments in your spiritual walk.

I left liberalism soon after I became a Christian, so I know how it feels to jump ship. It's kinda scary, but then your spirit won't let you continue the same way as you did before.
God moves us & matures us over time.

nice to have you here =0)

 

[Nadiine]

LBF, you are welcome here with OPEN arms So many of us feel at home in here, and it really is such a special corner of CF. We disagree, and we argue sometimes, but we're all rooted in scriptures, and completely in love with Lord. We're supportive of one another when it's needed, and we encourage each other to GROW in the Lord - we don't just pander to what we each want to hear. There's love, accountability and endless talk of God

Am so so glad you're here

sounds like we need a Conservative Rule Book -

What we are, what we like and what we will not tolerate
Sounds like a fun new thread
lol

 

[GreenMunchkin]

sounds like we need a Conservative Rule Book -

What we are, what we like and what we will not tolerate
Sounds like a fun new thread
lol

Heh, y'all can have a go at that. I may just sit back and hold my toes Am still burnt out from all the CC policy discussions We racked up about 80 threads in a coupla weeks, didn't we?

Guh, I need to lie down.

 

[Nadiine]

Heh, y'all can have a go at that. I may just sit back and hold my toes Am still burnt out from all the CC policy discussions We racked up about 80 threads in a coupla weeks, didn't we?

Guh, I need to lie down.

I was just joking GM - I may never recouperate from last year lol



A thread like that right now might be about as fun as a root canal without any novocaine

 

[Saint_Rita]

Welcome, I've recently jumped shipped as well... Like you I was socially liberal and very conservative in my own personal life. I'm noticing though that as I grow deeper in my faith that I'm becoming more socially conservative as well... to the point where I was no longer feeling welcome at a message board I posted at formerly. (a non-Christian board where I was accepted probably because I was SO socially liberal)

 

[GQ Chris]

One thing I agree with Michael Savage about, liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[Nadiine]

Welcome, I've recently jumped shipped as well... Like you I was socially liberal and very conservative in my own personal life. I'm noticing though that as I grow deeper in my faith that I'm becoming more socially conservative as well... to the point where I was no longer feeling welcome at a message board I posted at formerly. (a non-Christian board where I was accepted probably because I was SO socially liberal)

Wow, how cool!! You are both headed in the same direction I had to take too.
It's amazing to me how God works in us and changes us. I think the key is submission - once we submit, He can do anything in us.

GOD ROCKS!

 

[drstevej]

I respect liberal Christianity for what it is supposed to be: a reflection of Christ welcoming the lost with open arms, saving their souls and embracing them into fellowship with Him. But this isn't what I'm seeing happen lately. In very short leaps, "liberal Christian" can become "borderline Christian, but also affirming non-Christian beliefs." Then "borderline Christian" leads to "non-Christian," which quickly becomes "anti-Christian."

This is a very perceptive observation.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I was just joking GM - I may never recouperate from last year lol



A thread like that right now might be about as fun as a root canal without any novocaine

Does that smilie scratch its bottom? Ha!! Have never, ever noticed that before! That's adorable

Welcome, I've recently jumped shipped as well... Like you I was socially liberal and very conservative in my own personal life. I'm noticing though that as I grow deeper in my faith that I'm becoming more socially conservative as well... to the point where I was no longer feeling welcome at a message board I posted at formerly. (a non-Christian board where I was accepted probably because I was SO socially liberal)

Honestly, this mirrors what so many of us have experienced Welcome to CC to you, also, sister!

Have actually wanted to start a thread about this, but I didn't want to make it only open to conservatives lest it seem gossipy... (actually, I may start it in the debate subforum) but when you look at Christians who reject their faith, it *seems* to be primarily liberal Christians? Am worried that sounds disparaging, and it's not intended to be that way, at all. (In fact, if anyone reading this feels it is, please let me know ) But those are my observations

 

[Nadiine]

One thing I agree with Michael Savage about, liberalism is a mental disorder.

GQ.........what can I say -
you are a total crack up to me. But see, you live in San Fran, so you have more license than anyone to say such things.

I'm still laughing at Savage's Tshirt logo "I'd rather be waterboarding"..

it is SO bad that it's hilarious. LOL
Try wearing that at an Obama rally.

 

[GQ Chris]

That is awesome! liberals recognizing the error of their Philosophy and jumping ship.


Thing with me was, I was always a Conservative even when I didn't know what Conservatives and Liberals were.

I always loved this country, as a young boy knew I was going to serve in the Military, and I am all about personal responsibility and belief in the free markets.. God, family,Country...

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

It's my nature to pick out things to reply to lol --

Yeah, me too, so I'll zero in on this...

The real issue is, do you believe homosexuality is sin.

Yes, but I differ with many conservatives on how to react to it. I have a gay brother, so this makes it a personal issue for me. I'm not going to exclude him, as some members of our extended family do, but I'm also not going to tell him it isn't a sin. In addition, I was once married to a man who turned out to be homosexual and left me for another man. He had married me because he was fighting that part of himself. Does this make me resent gay rights, since a gay man married me under false pretenses, and left me under another one? (He claimed his father had died, and that he had to go back home three states away to attend the funeral. He never came back, of course, and it later came to light that his father was alive and well.) No. The liberal part of me still wants to say that if he had felt free to be himself, he wouldn't have felt like he had to cover it up by marrying me. The lie that he left me under, I can't excuse. He could have just told me.

I can't accept "born that way," though, or else God would not have declared it a sin. I don't think that automatically having the orientation (temptation) will bar a person from salvation, though. We all fall prey to various tempations. The temptation itself is not a sin; giving in to it is.

What bothers me, coming from some of the conservatives I've encountered, is a hateful hostility toward the people, not merely the sin. Using open ridicule, including that word that rhymes with "maggot." Then defending their hateful attitude with the fact that the Bible forbids homosexuality. "Well, it's against the Bible, and that's why I hate those people." Uh-uh. Romans 1 talks about the unnaturalness of homosexuality. A lot of people love to quote it while actively harassing gay people. But then they stop before they get to Romans 2, where in the first verse it essentially says, "But you're a sinner too, so don't judge somebody else's sin."

I also don't support such things as banning the music of Ray Boltz or Marsha Stevens. Just because they are yielding to the temptation doesn't mean their lyrics praising Christ don't still bless me.

 

[GQ Chris]

GQ.........what can I say -
you are a total crack up to me. But see, you live in San Fran, so you have more license than anyone to say such things.

I'm still laughing at Savage's Tshirt logo "I'd rather be waterboarding"..

it is SO bad that it's hilarious. LOL
Try wearing that at an Obama rally.

I need to go buy a nice McCain/Palin shirt and cut off the sleeves so I can go running around town in Oakland.

Just to let libs know that not everyone sees Obama as Messiah.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

One thing I agree with Michael Savage about, liberalism is a mental disorder.

I'm not ready to go so far as to say that. I just got through making this statment somewhere else, and I'll make it again here. Maybe I'll even siggy it:

"Non-something" does not have to equal "anti-something."

 

[GQ Chris]

I'm not ready to go so far as to say that. I just got through making this statment somewhere else, and I'll make it again here. Maybe I'll even siggy it:

"Non-something" does not have to equal "anti-something."

Sorry. It took me awhile to start wearing the Elephant proudly, I figured, I was already Abrasive enough might as well go all the way.

 

[Nadiine]

That is awesome! liberals recognizing the error of their Philosophy and jumping ship.

All who genuinely come to Christ recognize the error of their ways that were contrary to righteousness & truth - in whatever philosophy they chose to follow

 

[Nadiine]

I'm not ready to go so far as to say that. I just got through making this statment somewhere else, and I'll make it again here. Maybe I'll even siggy it:

"Non-something" does not have to equal "anti-something."

VERY TRUE

(but in my case, I am anti for specific reasons)

 

[drstevej]

Liberal Christianity at it's best tries to act like Christ apart from acknowledging the need for the new birth and indwelling Holy Spirit.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The modern liberal preacher reverences Jesus; he has the name of Jesus forever on his lips; he speaks of Jesus as the supreme revelation of God; he enters, or tries to enter, into the religious life of Jesus. But he does not stand in a religious relation to Jesus. Jesus for him is an example for faith, not the object of faith. The modern liberal tries to have faith in God like the faith which he supposes Jesus had in God; but he does not have faith in Jesus.[/FONT]

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