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I'm getting fed up with my friend.

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To be fair, there’s absolutely zero way that playing games and streaming is taking up 600 MB/s.

Streaming to things like Twitch uses upload speed, and has a max bitrate of 6 MB/s, which isn’t much, and it wouldn’t affect your download speed.

Games don’t use much bandwidth when simply being played. The only way it would tank your download speed that much is if he was downloading something. Maybe he had Steam downloading a bunch of games constantly, who knows, but simply playing games isn’t going to tank it that hard.

Even Netflix at 4K in addition to games etc isn’t going to tank it that hard.

Downloading stuff is also the only real explanation for the ping being higher too. Playing games again is barely going to affect ping, at least not to that extent.

Anyway, I’m only explaining that because it’s worth stating that it’s not just playing games causing it, nevertheless he clearly needs to be more intentional with his spare time.

If I were you I’d be saying he has to move out because you feel your hospitality is being taken advantage of, and he’s being too complacent about the fact that your helping hand is a temporary situation for someone in circumstances they are seemingly a bit too relaxed in.
He absolutely has something going on. We had 800 gbs before we went to unlimited to accommodate my friend. We never approached it, except for one time. We had family visiting for a couple weeks, and the kids streamed us into going over. Thankfully we get one forgiveness per contract, and it costed us nothing this one time. That time is shown on the chart. My friend moved in at the start of September. We went over that month, and had to go to unlimited. After he was done ordering all of his electronic toys, things went from bad to worse as he was playing and streaming all day, every day. My speed tests didn't lie, and this usage chart doesn't lie. He has us at 2.27 terabytes just this month. He is 100% responsible, whatever he's doing.
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Your list was pretty comprehensive! Only thing I can see missing is perhaps a clause in the boundaries about entertaining guests (not that this guy sounds like much of a social butterfly, but you never know).
Consider Post #10 amended accordingly. Friends or visitors could certainly be permitted and encouraged. I'm sure each of use would amend the post according to the circumstances, and I encourage @Fyrewulf to do so.
OP, I think @Josheb gave you a very good rundown of things to think about. Be clear about what you're willing to live with, and communicate that. See if agreement can be reached.
A pastor friend once told me we have relationship only so far as we have agreement. I might qualify his statement because, technically, an adversarial relationship is still a relationship; it's just not one in which we are known and knowing.
But don't be afraid to act if it can't;
(be corurageous)
you're not the one destroying your friendship, your friend has done that by choosing to treat you this way.
(but you may be the one who sets a commendable, restorative example that provides some redemption)

Romans 12:9-21
Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor; not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer, contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality. Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay," says the Lord. But if you enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him something to drink, for in doing so you will heap burning coals on his head. Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good.

Feed him, satisfy his thirst.... because that is what rekindles his warmth and sustenance.

Galatians 5:16-26
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Folks read that passage and tend to think, "I'm not practicing witchcraft or having orgies, so that doesn't apply to me," when that middle part of the list is the more common and prevalent aspect of the flesh. Divisions happen. Divisiveness is something much different.

Titus 3:9-11
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Who knew God played baseball? ;) Three strikes and you're out. :openmouth:
Your list was pretty comprehensive!
Thank you for the kind words.
 
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We came to an understanding. My wife and I agreed to give him another month to find work. He will now only do one thing at a time on the internet. The speeds are back to normal. He sold some belongings to pay us half of what he would have owed this time around. Anymore selfishness and this is over with. Any more lack of motivation and this is over with. Anymore failures without full effort in trying and this is over with. Things shouldn't have had to come to such strong language, demands, and tension. Hopefully he does the right things and this will all be repaired over time and forgotten.
 
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I want him gone. Nothing has changed. Still no job. Still little to minimal effort. Still not making calls to jobs. Still not searching for jobs on his own. Stays up all night on this PC and then sleeps all day during business hours. My wife is mad. I'm disappointed. I have absolutely no idea what this nonsense is. I've never known this side of him and we've been best friends for literally decades. My wife called a meeting a few nights ago to address this and he just argued that he has bad luck. Plus, his room STINKS. It's the nastiest smelling room I've ever smelled in my life. I don't know why that is. I truly don't. I mean to give him until December 1st for a job to materialize and then until January 1st for the job to be worked and money to be paid. I don't think he's going to make that deadline. I hope I'm wrong. This is heartbreaking for me. But we can't afford him. He was supposed to be a contributing member. It's not about HIS money (and there's been none) for OUR survival. We can and do survive just fine. But we can't afford to support another grown person, from the uptick in bill costs to food, etc. That's the problem and I don't think he comprehends it. We can't afford you! Pay your way and help out and this could work perfectly fine. But that's not happening. Now I have to figure out what this stench is and there's no nice way to go about it. My wife is gagging because it's seeping into the rest of our home.
 
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I want him gone. Nothing has changed. Still no job. Still little to minimal effort. Still not making calls to jobs. Still not searching for jobs on his own. Stays up all night on this PC and then sleeps all day during business hours. My wife is mad. I'm disappointed. I have absolutely no idea what this nonsense is. I've never known this side of him and we've been best friends for literally decades. My wife called a meeting a few nights ago to address this and he just argued that he has bad luck. Plus, his room STINKS. It's the nastiest smelling room I've ever smelled in my life. I don't know why that is. I truly don't. I mean to give him until December 1st for a job to materialize and then until January 1st for the job to be worked and money to be paid. I don't think he's going to make that deadline. I hope I'm wrong. This is heartbreaking for me. But we can't afford him. He was supposed to be a contributing member. It's not about HIS money (and there's been none) for OUR survival. We can and do survive just fine. But we can't afford to support another grown person, from the uptick in bill costs to food, etc. That's the problem and I don't think he comprehends it. We can't afford you! Pay your way and help out and this could work perfectly fine. But that's not happening. Now I have to figure out what this stench is and there's no nice way to go about it. My wife is gagging because it's seeping into the rest of our home.
You have to give him notice to leave.
 
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He hasn't even taken the time to change his ID or mailing address. Does this still apply. There's actually zero evidence of being here because he's done nothing.
Just tell him to gather his things and leave. It’s not working out. He has no one to blame but himself. The grifting is over. Your marital home should be number 1 as well as the feelings of your wife. If you need an way to escort him out, you can call the sheriff’s office or police station.
 
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He hasn't even taken the time to change his ID or mailing address. Does this still apply. There's actually zero evidence of being here because he's done nothing.
It sounds like you have bent over backwards to accommodate him, care for him, reason with him, help him to help himself and so on.
It could be that he is depressed; has anyone considered/explored that option?
If he isn't, then you would be perfectly entitled to ask him to leave - and get help with that if necessary. You have nothing at all to feel guilty about; your health, well-being and peace of mind - and those of your wife - come first.
 
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My wife and I let my childhood friend of several decades move in with us. I'm disabled, and he was in a tough living situation. He could help me and keep me company at home, and he would be in a much better situation with his own space.

He's been here for a couple of months, and the problems are piling up. He threw up a huge red flag in his first few days here when he mentioned that his source of income could be as my caretaker. SSA would pay him. The problem with that is, if I needed such a thing, that would go to my wife. But most of all, I don't need a caretaker. We shut that down. He has to get a real job. And we thought he would. He talked about it a lot before coming.

Upon arriving he spent $7,000+ on toys and electronics. My wife and I looked at each other bug eyed. He wasn't working, and where he worked before, he didn't make all that much. It turns out this is all the money he had, and 2 months later he's still not working to pay his share. I've had to hold his hand every step of the way. I've led him to 11 job applications, none of which he would have gotten on his own. Not one time has he sought employment on his own. If I'm not finding jobs and staying on him to apply, he won't.

When we found out that he had blown all the money he had, we asked him why he would do that before making sure his bills were paid and he was working. He blamed me and said because I said there are a lot of jobs here. There are a lot of jobs here, but you actually have to go get one. The job fairy doesn't drop them off to you. Yesterday he argued with me that he's not going to call and ask the businesses about his applications because that won't change anything. I've been out of the workforce for 3 years and that's not a long time. I know full well that this does matter, and I've probably called for updates about every job I've ever applied to.

Next we get to his selfishness in the home. He stays in his room most of the day, usually only coming out to eat. In his room he has 4 screens going. One he's playing online games on, one he has a game playing in the background, and on the other 2 he's streaming content. I'm a huge gamer. It's all I have to do while my wife isn't home. When he got here, everything fell apart with the internet. He maxed us out of data after a week and we had to switch over to the more expensive unlimited internet for the first time.

My internet speeds are half of what they used to be before he got here, and my games lag and I get kicked out of them a lot. We can't hardly watch TV. My wife's shows lag the whole time, and maintain the pixelated look rather than smoothing out and being clear. We couldn't figure it out. I was trying everything. We even paid the $100 to have a service technician come out and check on everything. Everything was good. Today my wife mentioned how maybe it's because he's running multiple PCs that are gaming and streaming all at once. 4 screens! So I did a speed test on my system. 300 down and 80 ping. I should be at 1,000 down and 20-30 ping. I went into his room and said I wanted to him to shut it all down so I could conduct the test 3 times, spaced several minutes apart. 900-1100 down and 21-38 ping every single time. I told him that he's the problem. I said you can't even watch or play 4 screens at once. Choose one thing at a time to do. My wife only watches one TV and show at a time, and I'm only playing one game at a time on my system. There's no reason to be sucking up all that bandwidth and slowing down the house. He hasn't even paid for anything yet, and we had to go out of our way to change the internet to accommodate him being here, which wasn't a problem at the time considering we thought he would be contributing sooner rather than later. Not to mention how rude it is to move into someone's home and take ownership of the resource. I also noticed that my ethernet cable was unplugged and plugged into a different port, and he had taken the best one for himself (the only max speed port on the router). I switched them and said this one is mine.

He argued with me for a couple hours about how it's got to be something else and it can't just be his heavy bandwidth use. I calmly kept saying the test doesn't lie. We even had him go back to having the 4 screens going at once and my down went back to 300 and the ping went back up to 80. Every test coincided with his heavy usage. He went back to streaming content while he plays games anyways. He cut 2 screens off, but is still not just sticking to one thing at a time like we always have.

I'm starting to regret this. The internet isn't the only thing that is an argument. He makes everything an argument or debate. He has zero motivation to get out and find work. Zero motivation to lessen his footprint around the home to share equally with everyone.
Kick him to the curb.
You may think your acceptance of him is love and patience, it is not!
It is encouraging a fool, it is pearls before swine. It is enabling a lazy fool, that scripture says should not be allowed to eat.

You've allowed him to become stronger every day in his fallacy.

Do not argue with him. Do not debate. Do not discuss.
(Never argue with a fool, they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.)
He has had ample opportunity. Boot him tomorrow.
The guy is a con and certainly not a friend.
 
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