I'm afraid...

[Joy]

I said she needed real life Christian Support at the beginning of this thread

 

[KleinerApfel]

I said she needed real life Christian Support at the beginning of this thread

Yes, it's been a long thread. Hope she gets that soon, because it's hard being alone on a keyboard when you need a hug.

Group hug for all of us here who haven't been hugged today yet...

 

[Caty]

I just don't understand why you all dont get that it came from ME, I was thinking over in my head "what would be the unforgivebale sin, and the I said that in my head, & im not sure why but I DID IT, not OCD---ME. I was seeing a counselor but they were no help, I know I have ocd but I have more of a spiritual problem then anything.

I know Jesus heals, but if I'm unforgivable how can He heal me!?!?!

 

[Desperaux]

I just don't understand why you all dont get that it came from ME, I was thinking over in my head "what would be the unforgivebale sin, and the I said that in my head, & im not sure why but I DID IT, not OCD---ME. I was seeing a counselor but they were no help, I know I have ocd but I have more of a spiritual problem then anything.

I know Jesus heals, but if I'm unforgivable how can He heal me!?!?!

Who says you are unforgivable? Satan. Stop listening to him and start believing His Word and what His people are telling you.

You are doubting the truth.

Jesus is asking you, “Why are you frightened? Why are your hearts filled with doubt?" Luke 24:38

1 John 5:5... And who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Caty]

I really do want to believe that but everything people put before about the uf-sin is pointing at me now, do you think it can be committed with a thought, & if so do you thinkI would regret it and be so scared & stuff.

also did u read what that prophetess sent me?? Do you think that still applies to me, i mean i just asked for a word from God to my life, i didn't tell her anythign about me.

 

[Caty]

Who says you are unforgivable? quote]

Well to me that verse in the Bible.

 

[Desperaux]

Who says you are unforgivable?

Well to me that verse in the Bible.

It has nothing to do with you or what you think you have done.

 

[Desperaux]

Let me just say that there are a number of biblical scholars who declare this sin in question as something that no one in this post-cross era can commit. Jesus was speaking of the Pharisees. Only they could commit that sin for they were present to see Jesus in the flesh--God incarnate--and saw all that He did to prove Himself and yet chose to declare Him of Satan.

In other words, unless you lived in 22 AD Jerusalem and its environs, and had actually met Jesus face to face, you could not commit such a sin.

 

[Caty]

but im not one that believes that, i believe you can commit it toady.
But how (from your point of view) have I NOT committed this sin??

 

[keryakos]

but im not one that believes that, i believe you can commit it toady.
But how (from your point of view) have I NOT committed this sin??

If you believe the bible and you believe it as it says then it is impossible to committ it in thought because jesus said he that speaketh ..

 

[Caty]

i dunno if it's my ocd but i don't believe it takes only speaking to do this & because i used to believe it was speaking that did it.

 

[Supplanter]

i dunno if it's my ocd but i don't believe it takes only speaking to do this & because i used to believe it was speaking that did it.

Caty, not to dismiss your feelings, but it really doesn't matter what you believe. All that matters is the truth. The truth is still going to be the truth, no matter what you or I or anyone else believes. You are now adjusting scripture to fit what you believe, rather than adjusting yourself to believe scripture. When you adjust scripture to fit your own beliefs and desires which have no foundation besides what you feel, then you have decided not to acknowledge the truth. My suggestion again to you is to get grounded in the WORD. You must take in the whole counsel of God and not just this one scripture you have chosen to focus on. If you continue to feed this mindset with this one scripture, that you are now twisting to say something that it doesn't even say, then you will come up the same results. You need to get some comforting scriptures and focus on them, even when doubts flood your mind, you need to just keep pushing them out and focus on those scriptures as much as possible.

 

[Caty]

but to me those comforting scriptures dont inculde me because im included in the one about the uf-sin now.

 

[Supplanter]

but to me those comforting scriptures dont inculde me because im included in the one about the uf-sin now.

Like I said. It does not matter what you believe. All that matters is the truth. You've proven by your addition to scripture about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to include thoughts instead of just speaking that you are not discerning the truth. How could you trust so much in yourself above the Word of God?

Instead of doing something productive to go beyond your feelings, you are instead going to just continue to manipulate scriptures to justify your own feelings of condemnation. Christ has not come to condemn you. You are condemning yourself, not Him. You are making a choice to believe Caty over God. Just as you have made a choice to believe Caty over all the advice and wisdom given in this forum. Caty, you are so busy condemning yourself that you won't let Jesus have a word in edgewise.

Maybe, just maybe, it is time to stop believing Caty and just pick up the Scriptures and be determined to believe all of them, not just this one that you have hyperfocused on. The enemy has given you a perfect excuse not to meditate on any other scriptures, because you believe they don't apply to you. Why would the enemy not want you to meditate on other Scriptures? Because then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free (John 8:32).

 

[Desperaux]

I really do want to believe that but everything people put before about the uf-sin is pointing at me now, do you think it can be committed with a thought, & if so do you thinkI would regret it and be so scared & stuff.

NO. You are scared because you are listening to the wrong voices.

also did u read what that prophetess sent me?? Do you think that still applies to me, i mean i just asked for a word from God to my life, i didn't tell her anythign about me.

No, I didn't read it--where is it?

Why place any credence on some unknown prophetic utterance when the truth of the Word has been offered to you repeatedly and you have resisted it? (44 pages!!!)

Do you not have a church family and a pastor you can talk to about these things? If I were you, I would ask the pastor to provide you with a mentor--a wise young woman of God who will lead you in your faith, consolidate, or disciple you.

 

[Desperaux]

but im not one that believes that, i believe you can commit it toady.
But how (from your point of view) have I NOT committed this sin??

You have been told multiple times in this thread: If you even wonder, you have not committed it, because anyone who has---DOESN'T CARE.

but to me those comforting scriptures dont inculde me because im included in the one about the uf-sin now.

Unbelief is a terrible thing. There is a warning:

Hebrews 3:12
Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

Hebrews 3:18-19
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


There is hope, however:

1 Timothy 1:13
although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

 

[Caty]

but Paul(saul) was a mislead pharasiee, he did act in unbeliefe--I haven't.
It's not that I don't trust you all, but I just got that word from the prphetess that sounded kinda like what I was going through and i didnt tell her anything about myself (its a few pages back). I guess if I hadnt read so many other thigns baout what the unforgiveable sin is (ive read other pages that say---even if you do worry you still could have dont it because no scripture in John can dissmiss what Jesus said about the uf-sin).

But how do I know what to believe, I can't trust myself & although you all have told me about the same thing, it's stll not consistent becaseu many people have told me many different things, so i don't know which to believe.

 

[keryakos]

Like I said. It does not matter what you believe. All that matters is the truth. You've proven by your addition to scripture about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit to include thoughts instead of just speaking that you are not discerning the truth. How could you trust so much in yourself above the Word of God?

Instead of doing something productive to go beyond your feelings, you are instead going to just continue to manipulate scriptures to justify your own feelings of condemnation. Christ has not come to condemn you. You are condemning yourself, not Him. You are making a choice to believe Caty over God. Just as you have made a choice to believe Caty over all the advice and wisdom given in this forum. Caty, you are so busy condemning yourself that you won't let Jesus have a word in edgewise.

Maybe, just maybe, it is time to stop believing Caty and just pick up the Scriptures and be determined to believe all of them, not just this one that you have hyperfocused on. The enemy has given you a perfect excuse not to meditate on any other scriptures, because you believe they don't apply to you. Why would the enemy not want you to meditate on other Scriptures? Because then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free (John 8:32).

Supplanter what scares me is that while dealing with OCD i have said things against the holy ghost ..it just happened i am afraid that i really have committed it

 

[Caty]

keraykos, im afradi i may have sais things and not remembered it or soemthing or said something under my breathe. but see you know you didn't mean these things & I know God isn't going to punish you for basically a complusion. you didn't mean it---you're fine.

 

[Desperaux]

but Paul(saul) was a mislead pharasiee, he did act in unbeliefe--I haven't.
It's not that I don't trust you all, but I just got that word from the prphetess that sounded kinda like what I was going through and i didnt tell her anything about myself (its a few pages back). I guess if I hadnt read so many other thigns baout what the unforgiveable sin is (ive read other pages that say---even if you do worry you still could have dont it because no scripture in John can dissmiss what Jesus said about the uf-sin).

But how do I know what to believe, I can't trust myself & although you all have told me about the same thing, it's stll not consistent becaseu many people have told me many different things, so i don't know which to believe.

Trust God.

Memorize this verse:

2 Timothy 1:7... For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.


Fear interferes with one's power in Christ and one's right thinking. Satan uses it to capture our minds--that is his target. Don't play into his hand.