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Illegally Downloading

Do you illegally Download form the net?

  • Yes, I do it

  • I have done it once or twice

  • No, I dont do it


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simwells

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Alecto said:
Then why is it legal to posess cd burning equipment by the general public? If this truly DOES forbade the burning of CDs and giving them to friends, it doesnt follow that the process should be so un-regulated. And yes I know youll say "What about guns? Its legal to buy a gun yet guns are used, mostly illegally, to kill people" Theres a huge difference between splattering someone's brains all over a wall and burning a CD.

CD burning equipment for music can only be legally done to put downloaded music onto a CD, put your own personal music (played, written and recorded by you) onto CD or for data.
 
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ChrisLockhart said:
There's no reason to bring guns into this.

it's not illegal to burn or copy cds, by the general public or anybody. It's only illegal if you do not own the copyright and have not been given permission to make the copies.
What about general usage? If you buy a CD...its YOURS. You can do with it as you please. Break it, trade it, sell it, play it, copy it. By buying a CD, you are buying the rights to do with that CD as you please.
 
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Alecto said:
What about general usage? If you buy a CD...its YOURS. You can do with it as you please. Break it, trade it, sell it, play it, copy it. By buying a CD, you are buying the rights to do with that CD as you please.

You can do all the things you said except copy it, that's the point of the copyright law
 
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Alecto said:
When you buy it, you buy the right to copy it for non-profit purposes

I'm sorry to burst your happy little bubble but you don't, though you will not be charged by the police for doing it for no profit at least on a small scale, it is still illegal.
 
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Then why hasnt anyone said or done anything about our CD Market? Here we have a group that gets together every few days with copies of thier CDs, they trade the copies for other copies of other CDs. No money changes hands, only CDs. And since the person who put it together is the bloody Mayor's daughter, I would think if there were any legality issues, that the 500+ people group would have been disbanded and seriously punished, after all its been going on for 4 years now. This aint exactly an underground market.
 
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Alecto said:
Then why hasnt anyone said or done anything about our CD Market? Here we have a group that gets together every few days with copies of thier CDs, they trade the copies for other copies of other CDs. No money changes hands, only CDs. And since the person who put it together is the bloody Mayor's daughter, I would think if there were any legality issues, that the 500+ people group would have been disbanded and seriously punished, after all its been going on for 4 years now. This aint exactly an underground market.

It's still illegal by your laws
 
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Alecto said:
Then SOMETHING would have been done about this group, and its not like this is the only place that does that kind of thing.

When you buy a CD, you buy the rights to make copies for non profit uses

I heard if I make a tape for a friend of an album I purchased - it's no problem; but if I burn a CD for my friend, then it's stealing. Is that true? I don't understand the difference.
You may be surprised to learn that neither of these activities is legally permitted, actually - one is no different from the other.

taken from major American website http://www.whatsthedownload.com/whats_the_controversy/faq/index.aspx#4
 
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How can I tell if a song is copyrighted?
Copyright protection is available to both published and unpublished works. That means that the copyright for any work, including a song, belongs to the author who created the work. Only the author - or those who the author has given rights to - owns the copyright. This generally means only the artist and his/her record label, and the songwriter and his/her music publisher, have copyrights in and to a given recording or song, respectively.

When we buy CDs, we do not own the copyrights to that music just because we purchased the album or single. When we purchase music, we only own the right to the particular copy that we acquired (i.e., we do not automatically have the right to make copies of the CD or to perform the CD in public places such as in a bar, retail store, dance club, etc.).

The symbol "©" (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or the abbreviation "Copr" will usually appear with copyrighted materials. For example, if you look on the back of a music CD, toward the bottom of the small print you will find the symbol "©" to designate it is copyrighted and who holds the copyright on that album. Despite the fact that online music files don't have the copyright symbol present in such a visible manner, you should still assume most music online is copyright protected, just to be safe - in fact, most legitimately acquired files do have copyright notices embedded in the data, such that they may be displayed via your digital music player.
 
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Alecto said:
It may be a de facto thing, but I have yet to see ANYONE prosecuted for it.

no they probably won't prosecute people doing it for no profit, unless it is happening at a huge scale, but that doesn't stop the fact it is still illegal
 
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Alecto said:
http://www.virtualrecordings.com/ahra.htm

If its illegal to copy CDs, wouldnt that make ripping them illegal? And ripping CDs IS legal

no, because ripping means you can put it onto a different machine or mp3 player or whatever, Though I'm not sure about your laws it may be legal where you are to copy CDs for your own use, such as for a backup, though it is no longer legal to do that here.
 
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Alecto said:
In the United States of America, it is legal to copy a CD and give it to friends. It is NOT legal to copy a CD and sell that copy, though its frequently done.

I dont know how the laws work in England

as you should have seen from the websites above this is not the case in the US you cannot copy it for someone else.
 
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It is not illegal to rip cds, it is not illegal to copy cds. it is not illegal to copy a cd and give that copy to your friend.
It IS illegal however, to infringe upon a copyright, which is possible to do via ripping a cd, or copying it.

As far as the legality, you can't get around that it is illegal to infringe upon copyright. You might feel that you have some right irrespective of the law to make copies and share them with your friends, but that doesn't affect the law and what it means.

Copyright law is not something that is actively enforced by law enforcement agencies.. so you're not going to see any cops busting up a music sharing ring or anything. It's generally up to the copyright-owner to call people out on infringement. Because artists don't want to bother with this sort of thing, they (or the copyright owner) often hire somebody else to keep an eye out for infringement.
 
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About all I really download is from stuff like VGMix and Overclocked ReMix these days... and those kind of places encourage downloading. ;) There's some really good amateur remixers out there doing stuff, and most of them aren't really selling CDs or are just getting started... so having their stuff open for download gives them a lot more exposure to people who could potentially buy their stuff. (Heck, I can think of a couple right now that I'd snag in an instant if I saw them selling CDs!)
 
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