If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[bugkiller]

Heb 8:6-10 = Christ spoke the TEN Commandments.
The NEW Covenant includes having the Jer 31:31-33 LAW of God "written on heart and mind".

As we all know by now.

You claim to accept those scriptures?

What you say above simply isn't true.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

What you say above simply isn't true.

bugkiller

Until you read the actual Bible.

Gal 3:8 "The Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM"
Genesis 26:5 "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in the still-valid unit-of-TEN
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"



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In your mind -- is God at war with His own Word??

Luke 24:27 before you answer.
Mark 7:6-13 - before you answer.
2 Timothy 3:16 - before you answer.
Acts 17:11 - before you answer.
Gal 1:6-9 - before you answer
Gal 3:8 - before you answer


What does God's Word say??

Prov 28:4, 9
4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,
But those who keep the law strive with them.

9 He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.

 

[bugkiller]

Gal 3:8 "The Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM"
Genesis 26:5 "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in the still-valid unit-of-TEN
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"





In your mind -- is God at war with His own Word??

Luke 24:27 before you answer.
Mark 7:6-13 - before you answer.
2 Timothy 3:16 - before you answer.
Acts 17:11 - before you answer.
Gal 1:6-9 - before you answer
Gal 3:8 - before you answer


What does God's Word say??

Prov 28:4, 9
4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,
But those who keep the law strive with them.

9 He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.

God's word plainly says you are wrong.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Until you read the actual Bible.

I have done so. you are wrong, do not agree with the nor believe the complete Bible.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

I have done so. you are wrong, do not agree with the nor believe the complete Bible.
bugkiller

The accuser of the brethren in Revelation 12 makes a similar false accusation.

 

[BobRyan]

God's word plainly says you are wrong.

bugkiller

You quote only your own word in your post in that case - - is that because you view your own word as "God's Word" when making unproven statements while ignoring the Bible texts in the post to which you are responding?

Were we all just 'not supposed to notice'????

 

[BABerean2]

In your mind -- is God at war with His own Word??

No. You are at war with the Apostles Peter and Paul and the Good News of the New Covenant of Christ.

You are found in Acts chapter 15 saying that one must be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses to be saved.
You wish to place us under a yoke of bondage they could not bear.

Paul warned you in Galatians 1:6-9 concerning the Grace of the New Covenant.

Paul plainly revealed to you in Galatians chapter 3 that the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed could come to whom the promise was made. You attempt to nullify Paul's words by claiming that the word "commandment" always means the 10 commandments given at Sinai.

You never explain Paul's reference to the Sinai covenant of bondage in Galatians 4:24-31 and his words compelling the Galatian church to "cast out the bondwoman". You must ignore this text or see your doctrine come to pieces in front of you. You have your own bondwoman who you cling to.

Instead of revealing the struggle between the Old "obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13) Sinai covenant and the New Covenant in the Book of Hebrews you attempt to pick and choose those verses that could prove Paul wrong.

Paul became so frustrated with what you are doing that he issued the following advice just for you.


Gal 5:12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!


You are attempting the old Bait-and-Switch trick, by claiming the New Covenant is really the Old Covenant.


Ellen G. White would be proud of you.

She might even go into a trance and bring out some new revelation for us...


Shut Door Documents from the estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html
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[bugkiller]

The accuser of the brethren in Revelation 12 makes a similar false accusation.

I'm not accusing the brethren. It seems you fail to notice my not calling you brother. We both preach opposing messages.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You quote only your own word in your post in that case - - is that because you view your own word as "God's Word" when making unproven statements while ignoring the Bible texts in the post to which you are responding?

Were we all just 'not supposed to notice'????

Yes we notice you don't accept many passages in the Bible. Every one of my statements are back able with the Bible My ignoring the texts you post really means I don't accept your idea about them. I'm very tired of your spam.

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

Yes we notice you don't accept many passages in the Bible.

it's amazing that you likewise do the same!

 

[BobRyan]

Yes we notice you don't accept many passages in the Bible.

Just not in real life.

In real life - you post textless post after textless post.

Then when you find a post that has a Bible text in it -- you call it spam.

 

[BobRyan]

Gal 3:8 "The Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM"
Genesis 26:5 "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in the still-valid unit-of-TEN
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

Brother Bob,

I have come to understand in the last few months the battle between the Old Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant of Christ. It has been going on for almost 2,000 years now. The Books of Galatians and Hebrews are about this battle.

It would be my guess that 98% of Christians today are both unaware of this battle

In your mind -- is God at war with His own Word??

Luke 24:27 before you answer.
Mark 7:6-13 - before you answer.
2 Timothy 3:16 - before you answer.
Acts 17:11 - before you answer.
Gal 1:6-9 - before you answer
Gal 3:8 - before you answer


What does God's Word say??

Prov 28:4, 9
4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,
But those who keep the law strive with them.

9 He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.

No. You are at war with the Apostles Peter and Paul and the Good News of the New Covenant of Christ.

Not in real life.

In real life Paul said this -
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in the still-valid unit-of-TEN
Rom 3:31 "Do then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Gal 1:6-9 tells us there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 tells us that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham"

And we all know it.


The NEW Covenant has the LAW of God written on the heart and mind - as we are told in Jer 31:31-33 AND told in Hebrews 8:6-10.... no change!

 

[BABerean2]

Bob says...

The NEW Covenant has the LAW of God written on the heart and mind - as we are told in Jer 31:31-33 AND told in Hebrews 8:6-10.... no change!

God says...

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



Shut Door Documents from the estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html
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[Dkh587]

Bob says...




God says...

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



Shut Door Documents from the estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html
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God said He would write His Torah(law) on the hearts of His people

The verse you're referencing is talking about the priesthood changing. It's not talking about taking God's commandments away and having nothing to do with them

“But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YAH, I will put my Torah(law) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Are you a part of this covenant, the one where God writes His law on the hearts of His people?


“Therefore say, Thus saith YAH Elohim; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their Elohim.
But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith YAH Elohim.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭11:17-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[BABerean2]

God said He would write His Torah(law) on the hearts of His people

The verse you're referencing is talking about the priesthood changing. It's not talking about taking God's commandments away and having nothing to do with them

“But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YAH, I will put my Torah(law) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Are you a part of this covenant, the one where God writes His law on the hearts of His people?


“Therefore say, Thus saith YAH Elohim; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their Elohim.
But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith YAH Elohim.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭11:17-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I am a part of the New Covenant and have the Spirit inside of me.

What was Paul talking about when he compelled the Galatian church to "cast out" the Sinai covenant of bondage in Galatians 4:24-31 ?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(We find heavenly Jerusalem in Hebrews 11:16.)

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
The inheritance does not come through the Sinai covenant of bondage.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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[Dkh587]

I am a part of the New Covenant and have the Spirit inside of me.

What was Paul talking about when he compelled the Galatian church to "cast out" the Sinai covenant of bondage in Galatians 4:24-31 ?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(We find heavenly Jerusalem in Hebrews 11:16.)

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
The inheritance does not come through the Sinai covenant of bondage.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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Since you are apart of the covenant where the Spirit dwells inside of you, why do you teach against obeying God's commandments? Part of the new covenant that you are in is having God's law/commands written on your heart and walking in/living them!


Paul was talking about inheriting the promise through faith and not through works. Notice in 5:4, he says "those of you who are justified by the law".

This means those who establish their own righteousness through their own works and not through faith. He's talking about salvation and and how the promise is inherited, not whether to obey God's commands.

Salvation and the promise is not through the law(Torah), but this doesn't mean you aren't supposed to obey the law and live according to God's commands

If, before we were believers, lived a life against God's law(Torah), why wouldnt we then repent of our ways and learn to walk and live according to God's commands? Remember, we were called out of our precious lives of living AGAINST God. Why wouldn't we then live a life FOR God?

Remember, Paul lived according to the law, which included the feast days, the food laws, the Sabbath, 10 commandments etc

Ishmael was conceived because of Sarah and Abraham tried to bring about the promise through their own works, instead of having faith in the Father and waiting on the promise.



the issue is faith-based salvation vs works-based


Obeying God's commands is not a yoke of bondage. Working your way to salvation and righteousness is bondage. We are saved by FAITH, but once we are saved and called out, we are then supposed to live a righteous life according to how YAH The Most High says to live!

Paul lived according to the Torah(law). If living according to God's command is a yoke of Bondage, then Paul lived according to bondage, since he took a vow in Acts to prove he lived according to the Torah! I don't believe he lived in bondage, but this is what you are basically teaching based off your posts.



considering Paul lived according to God's commands, its contradictory and absurd to think that he was teaching believers in the Messiah to NOT obey God. What kind of sense does it make to live according to God's commands, but tell your brothers and sisters in Christ to NOT obey God's commands, and that it's bondage to do so?

 

[bugkiller]

it's amazing that you likewise do the same!

Start quoting anything you think I'm ignoring.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Just not in real life.

In real life - you post textless post after textless post.

Then when you find a post that has a Bible text in it -- you call it spam.

How many times must one address a set of passages you continually post over and over claiming no response?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Gal 3:8 "The Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM"
Genesis 26:5 "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in the still-valid unit-of-TEN
Rev 14:12 "The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"





In your mind -- is God at war with His own Word??

Luke 24:27 before you answer.
Mark 7:6-13 - before you answer.
2 Timothy 3:16 - before you answer.
Acts 17:11 - before you answer.
Gal 1:6-9 - before you answer
Gal 3:8 - before you answer


What does God's Word say??

Prov 28:4, 9
4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked,
But those who keep the law strive with them.

9 He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.



Not in real life.

In real life Paul said this -
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in the still-valid unit-of-TEN
Rom 3:31 "Do then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Gal 1:6-9 tells us there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 tells us that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham"

And we all know it.


The NEW Covenant has the LAW of God written on the heart and mind - as we are told in Jer 31:31-33 AND told in Hebrews 8:6-10.... no change!

IOW you claim there is no NC against the Scripture and quoted words of Jesus.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

God said He would write His Torah(law) on the hearts of His people

There is no such passage in Jeremiah unless you are using part of a sentence. Yes I see you quote that part oft he sentence from v 33 below. This is taking a verse out of context to support something it doesn't say.

The verse you're referencing is talking about the priesthood changing. It's not talking about taking God's commandments away and having nothing to do with them[/quote]granted, but that isn't what is being argued.

“But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YAH, I will put my Torah(law) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Are you a part of this covenant, the one where God writes His law on the hearts of His people?

Yeppers I am. Read the Gospels and Acts Furthermore there is no requirement to join the covenant issued to Israel at Mt Sinai.

“Therefore say, Thus saith YAH Elohim; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their Elohim.
But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith YAH Elohim.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭11:17-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I guess you can keep trying to prove gentiles can not be included in the NC or that there is no such thing.

bugkiller