If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[Bob S]

Like I said you do not understand SDA Theology. Your statement above would indicate that there is no forgiveness for sin, thus no Savior and that is not what SDA Theology is. You might do well to understand SDA Theology before you make those type of derogatory statements.

As far as you statement about the mark of the beast, you have it partially right as the issue at the end of this world will be whom you worship, the beast or GOD. But before you can determine what the mark of the beast is you must first determine who or what the beast is.
Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Please do not try to paint some rosy picture of what SDAs believe. I guess you think you can tell us anything just as long as we get hooked and after we are reeled in then feed us the meat. Ellen is your prophet, actually as she said: more that a prophet. She is equal to the Holy Writ and she wrote:


It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}


But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

 

[Bob S]

Okay got you to admit that you attempt to obey two of the ten commandments. How about the other eight?

Nine of the 10 deal with moral issues and morality is forever. One dealt with a ritual command to keep a day. Had the Sabbath command been a moral issue certainly God would have told all the other people on Earth. Morality is instilled in each of us and is expected of us. Surely God would have directed some NT bible writer to write down the fourth commandment and directed us to keep it. Furthermore if we were to have to keep it give us some instructions. As it is, trying to keep it is futile because everybody has a different plan.

If the fourth commandment has a "halo" around it, like your prophet wrote, then surely being the most important one, God would have made the Gentile nations aware. The fact is that Sabbath was important only to Israel and when Israel became a defunct nation the covenant became defunct also.

 

[disciple1]

Like I said in my post I cannot save myself only the lord can save me. So what was your point in quoting Galatians 5:4
Please use the bible and explain Love in you response.

Then why did Jesus say "If you love me keep my commandments"?

Jesus spoke in parables, no one obeys the law if you break one law you've broke them all, if you try to obey your under the law and a slave to sin and have to obey the whole law.
Go to Galatians chapter 4 verse 21 to 31 It explains about being slaves.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Please do not try to paint some rosy picture of what SDAs believe. I guess you think you can tell us anything just as long as we get hooked and after we are reeled in then feed us the meat. Ellen is your prophet, actually as she said: more that a prophet. She is equal to the Holy Writ and she wrote:


It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}


But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

Thanks for this post Bob. I never use Sister White in my posts however you did so lets look at these quotes.
1-She plagiarized the Bible
1 Samuel 2:30
Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
2- Nothing wrong here Satan always has a counterfeit to the truth and always uses humans as his messengers.
3-"after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God
4-All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.
5-If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience.

Has the light of the Sabbath shone on You, have you rejected it? Reread these statements that you posed after answering this question.

Yes SDA views EGW as a prophet

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Please support this statement
actually as she said: more that a prophet. She is equal to the Holy Writ and she wrote:

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Nine of the 10 deal with moral issues and morality is forever. One dealt with a ritual command to keep a day. Had the Sabbath command been a moral issue certainly God would have told all the other people on Earth. Morality is instilled in each of us and is expected of us. Surely God would have directed some NT bible writer to write down the fourth commandment and directed us to keep it. Furthermore if we were to have to keep it give us some instructions. As it is, trying to keep it is futile because everybody has a different plan.

If the fourth commandment has a "halo" around it, like your prophet wrote, then surely being the most important one, God would have made the Gentile nations aware. The fact is that Sabbath was important only to Israel and when Israel became a defunct nation the covenant became defunct also.

The ten commandments were written by the finger of Jesus.
Please explain this passage to me in light of your belief that the 7th day Sabbath is done away with.
Isaiah 66:22-24King James Version (KJV)
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Jesus spoke in parables, no one obeys the law if you break one law you've broke them all, if you try to obey your under the law and a slave to sin and have to obey the whole law.
Go to Galatians chapter 4 verse 21 to 31 It explains about being slaves.

Now I see why this earth is such a sinful place with this type of thinking, I can not keep the whole law so why try.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Take away the law then there is no sin.
Take away sin and there is no need for a Savior.
Take away the Savior and Jesus died on the cross for nothing.

Sounds like a teaching Satan would approve of.

 

[disciple1]

Now I see why this earth is such a sinful place with this type of thinking, I can not keep the whole law so why try.
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Take away the law then there is no sin.
Take away sin and there is no need for a Savior.
Take away the Savior and Jesus died on the cross for nothing.

Sounds like a teaching Satan would approve of.

Romans chapter 2 verse 12
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
I'm not under law, I'm under grace, but since your trying to obey the law, you will be judged by the law.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
But you haven't learned the truth yet and may never, study the bible and pray maybe God will have mercy on you.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Romans chapter 2 verse 12
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
I'm not under law, I'm under grace, but since your trying to obey the law, you will be judged by the law.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
But you haven't learned the truth yet and may never, study the bible and pray maybe God will have mercy on you.

"But you haven't learned the truth yet and may never, study the bible and pray maybe God will have mercy on you"
Sounds like you have judged me, are you usurping Jesus's position as our Judge? or are you clamming to be Jesus?

How is God going to judge us as righteous or unjust. What standard does he use?
Revelation 16:7
And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

 

[klutedavid]

Like I said you do not understand SDA Theology. Your statement above would indicate that there is no forgiveness for sin, thus no Savior and that is not what SDA Theology is. You might do well to understand SDA Theology before you make those type of derogatory statements.

As far as you statement about the mark of the beast, you have it partially right as the issue at the end of this world will be whom you worship, the beast or GOD. But before you can determine what the mark of the beast is you must first determine who or what the beast is.
Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Hello HappyCamper.

Thanks for your reply.

Thank you for setting me straight after 37 years of worshiping as an SDA

The pleasure is all mine, my work is to set people free, you don't need to thank me.

I did not no that was what SDA subscribes to.

Whether the beast is here or not, the mark of the beast will be sunday worship.

Therefore it stands, that sunday worship is direct disobedience to this royal law.
Anyone who disobeys the commandments of Christ is condemned. You have
stated that it is Jesus plus the 'literal', ten commandments.

Sure you maintain that one can be forgiven, but willful and continued disobedience
to the sabbath commandment, results in destruction.

The Sabbath is the only commandment that reveals the Law Giver. You cannot really
know the law giver unless you are obedient to the sabbath.

The Sabbath is the Seal of the Living God. The unsealed are lost and forever.

To disobey Sabbath worship is to disobey what? 'The commandments of God'
(Revelation 14:12).

The name of your church is 'Sabbath adventists', the one and only true church.

Ellen G White, saw the sabbath commandment glowing in her vision.

God rested on the sabbath day in the account in Genesis.

SDA is blowing the sabbath trumpet very loudly.

 

[klutedavid]

Okay got you to admit that you attempt to obey two of the ten commandments. How about the other eight?

Hello HappyCamper.

I cannot obey two of the ten commandments, why would I bother with the rest?

Let's be honest with each other, nothing good resides in my flesh, HC. There
is no way that I could obey any decree, let alone ten or more decrees. I am
already dead in Christ, baptized into His death. Christ transferred me from
the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. Not on the basis of any
obedience on my behalf, HappyCamper. Christ did this Himself, there is no
benchmark in Christianity that I need to hurdle.

I repeat, salvation is a free gift and by Grace, it is not based on legal observance.
Stop imposing factions within Christianity, the SDA is a defined faction.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Hello HappyCamper.

Thanks for your reply.

The pleasure is all mine, my work is to set people free, you don't need to thank me.

Whether the beast is here or not, the mark of the beast will be sunday worship.

Therefore it stands, that sunday worship is direct disobedience to this royal law.
Anyone who disobeys the commandments of Christ is condemned. You have
stated that it is Jesus plus the 'literal', ten commandments.

Sure you maintain that one can be forgiven, but willful and continued disobedience
to the sabbath commandment, results in destruction.

The Sabbath is the only commandment that reveals the Law Giver. You cannot really
know the law giver unless you are obedient to the sabbath.

The Sabbath is the Seal of the Living God. The unsealed are lost and forever.

To disobey Sabbath worship is to disobey what? 'The commandments of God'
(Revelation 14:12).

The name of your church is 'Sabbath adventists', the one and only true church.

Ellen G White, saw the sabbath commandment glowing in her vision.

God rested on the sabbath day in the account in Genesis.

SDA is blowing the sabbath trumpet very loudly.

The Sabbath is the only commandment that reveals the Law Giver. You cannot really
know the law giver unless you are obedient to the sabbath.

The Sabbath is the Seal of the Living God.
You cannot really know the law giver unless you are obedient to the sabbath.


To disobey Sabbath worship is to disobey what? 'The commandments of God'
(Revelation 14:12).

The name of your church is 'Sabbath adventists', the one and only true church.

Ellen G White, saw the sabbath commandment glowing in her vision.

God rested on the sabbath day in the account in Genesis.

SDA is blowing the sabbath trumpet very loudly.[/QUOTE]

There are several statements that you stated that I find unsupported. The mark of the beast has not arrived therefore unless you are convinced by the Holy Spirit that the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord you are not condemned if you disobey.
"You cannot really know the law giver unless you are obedient to the sabbath". This is not an SDA teaching.
"The unsealed are lost and forever." This is a bible teaching that has yet to happen
Rev 7
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Hello HappyCamper.

I cannot obey two of the ten commandments, why would I bother with the rest?

Let's be honest with each other, nothing good resides in my flesh, HC. There
is no way that I could obey any decree, let alone ten or more decrees. I am
already dead in Christ, baptized into His death. Christ transferred me from
the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. Not on the basis of any
obedience on my behalf, HappyCamper. Christ did this Himself, there is no
benchmark in Christianity that I need to hurdle.

I repeat, salvation is a free gift and by Grace, it is not based on legal observance.
Stop imposing factions within Christianity, the SDA is a defined faction.

You are right that salvation is a free gift by Grace. So based on your post that is all that is needed is to believe that Jesus is the Christ. Satan believes that Jesus is the Christ, does that mean he has salvation?
What happened to what Jesus said. If you love me keep my commandments. Does that statement not appear in your Bible, or are just ignoring it?

SDA is the fastest growing growing christian religion in the world. WHY?
Adventists' back-to-basics faith is fastest growing U.S. church ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-03-18-Adventists_17_ST_N.htmMar 17, 2011 ... The fast-growing Seventh-day Adventist religion teaches no pre-marital sex. ... of the world, where Southern Baptists and mainline denominations, ... Hispanic Adventists are "the one group that is growing very well," he added.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Hello HappyCamper.

I cannot obey two of the ten commandments, why would I bother with the rest?

Let's be honest with each other, nothing good resides in my flesh, HC. There
is no way that I could obey any decree, let alone ten or more decrees. I am
already dead in Christ, baptized into His death. Christ transferred me from
the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light. Not on the basis of any
obedience on my behalf, HappyCamper. Christ did this Himself, there is no
benchmark in Christianity that I need to hurdle.

I repeat, salvation is a free gift and by Grace, it is not based on legal observance.
Stop imposing factions within Christianity, the SDA is a defined faction.

I cannot keep the law by myself as I am a sinner it is only through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that I can keep the law.
1 John 2 King James Version (KJV)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[BABerean2]

Because I am a sinner and cannot save myself, I have a Savior in the perfect Jesus Christ, I attempt to keep his commandments because he commanded me to.

Your versus Heb 7:12 is explained if you keep reading
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

The change in the LAW was the Sanctuary law concerning which tribe, Levites, the priests to come from. The verse has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments as you indicate.

Christ was the sin bearer but that did not change his nature. It was like a coat of sin he put on but it did not change him. He was and is always perfect or else he could not have put on that coat of sin and suffered the consequences of sin, the second death, for us.

You would be arguing with Paul, instead of me...

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Here Paul compares the Sinai covenant to Hagar the bondwoman.)


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (Sinai is again compared to bondage.)

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(In Hebrews 11:16 we find that New Jerusalem is our home.)

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
(Here Paul tells the Galatians to "cast out" the Sinai covenant of bondage.)

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

We are children of the New Covenant, instead of the Old.

Why do you hang onto the covenant of bondage? Let it go. As revealed in Galatians 3:16-29, it has served its purpose.
In Matthew chapter 5 Christ said He came to fulfill the law.
What do you think fulfill means?

If I fulfill a contract to build a house.
The contract is not destroyed.
The house is not destroyed.

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[Bob S]

Thanks for this post Bob. I never use Sister White in my posts however you did so lets look at these quotes.

I would not either. She was a false prophet and SDAs are too blind to see the truth.

1-She plagiarized the Bible

We are finding more and more of her plagiarism all the time. Parts of some of her books are almost word for word plagiarism.
1 Samuel 2:30

Wherefore the Lord God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the Lord saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.

So what does that verse have to do with Ellen? Paul wrote that the law was until Jesus Gal 3. He wrote that the 10 were transitory and now our guide is the Holy Spirit. If the 10 were transitory then there is no Sabbath command.

2- Nothing wrong here Satan always has a counterfeit to the truth and always uses humans as his messengers.

There is no such thing as another day being Sabbath, so what is satan counterfeiting? Col 2:16 tells us Sabbath was a shadow. I certainly do not worship shadows, I worship Jesus the reality.

3-"after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God

Enlightened with a now defunct old covenant, only given to Israel, Sabbath that is nothing but a shadow? Who was old ellen trying to kid. Once we know the real truth we can be set free from falsehood, I was.

4-All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.

That would be true if there was such a thing as an Israelite Christian Sabbath. The light went out on the Sabbath at the Cross. What a hypocrite old ellen was. She thumped the Sabbath and wrote all those threats yet ignored the feast days, new moons and everything else except her modified false tithing system still being used by the church. Oh yes we cannot forget all the unclean food laws. Please pass me the oysters would you James.

5-If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience.

Has the light of the Sabbath shone on You, have you rejected it? Reread these statements that you posed after answering this question.

You better believe I would heed the Word if the Word expressed my observing Sabbath. The fact is it doesn't. It was a law for one nation. All the other nations of the World have never been given the Sabbath command. Jesus never asked or commanded gentiles to observe Sabbath. None of the other writers of the New Testament hint of Sabbath observance.

Yes SDA views EGW as a prophet

Fewer and fewer view her as being a true prophet. When I first became SDA she was always mentioned in the preaching service and she was read in place of scripture. When I left Adventism mum was the word. Old Teddy was using the pry bar trying to get the pastors to use her and yet they wouldn't. Even you admitted you hide her under a barrel.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Oh I like it when SDAs quote Rev 12 and all the verses that have commandments in them. Do you see a 10 in front of commandments? I don't either, so why do you use verses like that to make a point in reference to Sabbath? The same John that wrote verse 17 also wrote the verses in 1Jn 3 that I have quoted in green below. Do you see any Sabbath command there? I know I am pleasing God by observing those commands and I am not going to make up commands that are not part of God's plan of salvation for Christians. There is no way any SDA really keeps Sabbath anyway. You make up some rules you can live with and pleases what you think is pleasing to God and ignore the commands in the OT.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

And of course that fits old ellen to a tee. Boy have you been suckered in.

Please support this statement
actually as she said: more that a prophet. She is equal to the Holy Writ and she wrote:

It is there for you to find. If you cannot find her statement I will do it for you. Do you think I am writing an untruth?

 

[BABerean2]

The White Lie
http://www.bible.ca/7-plagiarism.htm

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[Bob S]

The ten commandments were written by the finger of Jesus.

Yes, God has done many miraculous things for His children and He did write the 10 for His special children. The fact is that no matter how those stones got written on they were for Israel and Israel alone. Israel broke the covenant, Jesus came and kept the laws that Israel could not thus fulfilling them. At the Cross all those 613 laws given only to Israel were abrogated and Jesus set forth the New covenant of Grace.

Please explain this passage to me in light of your belief that the 7th day Sabbath is done away with.
Isaiah 66:22-24King James Version (KJV)
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh

Isaiah wrote it so it must be true. Isaiah also wrote concerning the New Earth in Is 65 the following:

17 “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.

19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more.

20 “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.

21 They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people; my chosen ones will long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They will not labor in vain, nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune; for they will be a people blessed by the LORD, they and their descendants with them.

24 Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the LORD.

See the highlighted verses? Please explain these passages in light of your belief that men shall live forever in the new earth, but the passage in verse 20 says men will die after they live out their years and there will be no children born in the new earth.

Also, see verse 17 where Isaiah writes former thing will not be remembered? Please relate that statement with verse 24 of chapter 66 where Isaiah writes that after Sabbath worship we will go out and walk among dead bodies. Who are the dead bodies? Will we walk among them and not know who they were because we cannot remember? What would be the use of going out and viewing that terrible scene if there were not some reason to think about those who were annihilated for not believing?

Seems like Isaiah's account of the new earth cannot be taken literally. Your use of chapter 66 doesn't do your cause any good in light of the entire scene does it? ellen writes that there will not be any children born in Heaven because people will not marry. Woops! if Isaiah and ellen are correct then there will be some hanky panky goin on.

 

[disciple1]

"But you haven't learned the truth yet and may never, study the bible and pray maybe God will have mercy on you"
Sounds like you have judged me, are you usurping Jesus's position as our Judge? or are you clamming to be Jesus?

How is God going to judge us as righteous or unjust. What standard does he use?
Revelation 16:7
And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

If you judge by the law you will be judged by the law, I'm seeing that you use the law as something we're to try to obey, all we have to do is love, because no one obeys the law, if they try to they will be judged by the law.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
But didn't you judge me first.

Now I see why this earth is such a sinful place with this type of thinking

 

[BABerean2]

Yes, God has done many miraculous things for His children and He did write the 10 for His special children. The fact is that no matter how those stones got written on they were for Israel and Israel alone. Israel broke the covenant, Jesus came and kept the laws that Israel could not thus fulfilling them. At the Cross all those 613 laws given only to Israel were abrogated and Jesus set forth the New covenant of Grace.


Isaiah wrote it so it must be true. Isaiah also wrote concerning the New Earth in Is 65 the following:

17 “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy.

19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more.

20 “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.

21 They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people; my chosen ones will long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They will not labor in vain, nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune; for they will be a people blessed by the LORD, they and their descendants with them.

24 Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the LORD.

See the highlighted verses? Please explain these passages in light of your belief that men shall live forever in the new earth, but the passage in verse 20 says men will die after they live out their years and there will be no children born in the new earth.

Also, see verse 17 where Isaiah writes former thing will not be remembered? Please relate that statement with verse 24 of chapter 66 where Isaiah writes that after Sabbath worship we will go out and walk among dead bodies. Who are the dead bodies? Will we walk among them and not know who they were because we cannot remember? What would be the use of going out and viewing that terrible scene if there were not some reason to think about those who were annihilated for not believing?

Seems like Isaiah's account of the new earth cannot be taken literally. Your use of chapter 66 doesn't do your cause any good in light of the entire scene does it? ellen writes that there will not be any children born in Heaven because people will not marry. Woops! if Isaiah and ellen are correct then there will be some hanky panky goin on.

The God's Word version seems to be a translation that fits into the context of the passage.

If we put the emphasis on the beginning of the passage, it is a negative statement saying these things will no longer be present in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Based on Isaiah chapter 11 it will be a return to life before the fall.


Isa 65:20 There will no longer be an infant who lives for only a few days or an old man who doesn't live a long life. Whoever lives to be a hundred years old will be thought of as young. Whoever dies before he is a hundred years old will be cursed as a sinner.
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[Bob S]

The God's Word version seems to be a translation that fits into the context of the passage.

If we put the emphasis on the beginning of the passage, it is a negative statement saying these things will no longer be present in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Based on Isaiah chapter 11 it will be a return to life before the fall.


Isa 65:20 There will no longer be an infant who lives for only a few days or an old man who doesn't live a long life. Whoever lives to be a hundred years old will be thought of as young. Whoever dies before he is a hundred years old will be cursed as a sinner.

The second sentence seems to add clarification to the first one, and the third sentence blows the first sentence out of the water telling us there will still be sin in Heaven and people will die. I really do not understand your point. Lets discuss walking around dead bodies while we are at it.