Despite your lengthy post, you did not address my question. I will state it more simply again.
Why do you not obey God's commandments (note, not commandments of men, but of God)?
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In Protestantism one of the key elements is "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and practice - and not so much focus on simply "ad hominem" to make a point. As I am sure we would all agree.
But the Bible describes an opposing model to that in Rev 12
Rev 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
I think we are all familiar with that system.
In fact we see it as well in Dan 7
Rev 13
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Rev 3
11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
So then how is that "Sola Scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition stated in the Bible?
Well we find on example of it in Mark 7:6-13
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Could you show me where the Bible [KJB] delineates the specific number "613" [a talmudic/rabbinical concept] in regards commandments anywhere in all of scripture, OT/NT.If Jesus gave us the Ten Commandments, who gave us the other 603 Commandments?
Nope.... it doesn't say that it says by LOVING one doesn't need to worry about the Law they aren't going to break what Paul deems important parts of the Law that he LISTS there because doing so is NOT loving your neighbor.
In other words keeping commandments isn't necessarily loving your neighbor, but loving your neighbor just happens to have you not breaking some of the commandments.
I would emphasize Rom 13:10 Love works no ill to your neighbor, therefore love does ALL the Law requires of Christians (fulfills it).
James 2 does not say "just keep some of the commandments -- just the ones you feel are best".
I think we all agree to that.
Perhaps most, at least some, of us give lip service to that idea. However, is there a particular reason you don't keep all of God's commandments?
Since you enjoy repeating the question - I enjoy also repeating the Bible lesson
In Protestantism one of the key elements is "sola scriptura" testing of all doctrine and practice - and not so much focus on simply "ad hominem" to make a point. As I am sure we would all agree.
But the Bible describes an opposing model in Rev 12 to the "sola scriptura" testing model.
Rev 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
I think we are all familiar with that system.
In fact we see it as well in Rev 13
Rev 13
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
Rev 3
11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
So then how is that "Sola Scriptura" testing of all doctrine and tradition stated in the Bible?
Well we find on example of it in Mark 7:6-13
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Further repeats of the question - will just get a link to this post.
Indeed:Proverbs 14:2 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 14:2 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
1050 Commandments in the NT and the 600+ in the OT - all given to us by God.
Heb 10 says that the animal sacrifices have ended.
But no text says the moral law of God has ended. A Bible detail so incredibly clear that even the majority of pro-Sunday scholars admit to this Bible point.
Heb 10 says that the animal sacrifices have ended.
Ex 20:6 "love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
So may argue that all that was before the cross - so pay no attention to that part of "scripture" -- it is not for Christians. Yet "Chrisitan" means - follower of Christ and Christ is speaking both in John 14 - and in Exodus 20.
By contrast to that speculative conclusion we have --
"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
So then what about Christ coming up with a different set of commandments - that are not those of God? Not those of God the Father and thereby negating the Commandments of God to replace them with other commandments - that come from Christ? Is that what we find in the New Testament?
Not according to Jesus' words in John's Gospel.
John 5:19 "19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner."
John 8:28 "28 So Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me.
John 12:49 49 For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
John 14: "10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works."
Which is why in John 14:15 we see this
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Instead of "keep My Commandments - not My Father's commandments - just mine"
And it is why John 15:10 does not say that either
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
And of course God the Father gave Jesus the ministry of "Savior" to the world such that Jesus prayed "Father if it be possible let this cup pass from me - nevertheless not my will - but Thy will be done"
John said - Jesus kept His Father's Commandments.
John said - we should do as Jesus did.
1 John 2: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
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Jesus is the One that gave us the TEN Commandments - they were spoken by HiM as we see in the NEW Covenant
Heb 8 (And Jer 31:31-33)
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,
“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
Exegesis demands that the moral law of God written on the mind and heart in Jer 31:31-33 is the one that Jeremiah and his readers knew.
Do you view Jesus as opposed to the Father or the two and the Holy Spirit are "ONE God" in your/our monotheistic religion?
Nothing here just more scripture plucked out of context..... here is the "commandments" Jesus was talking about if one sits down and READS the entire chapters 14 AND 15 of John they will see there is no indication of any OTHER commandments suggested by some here.
12 “This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17 This I command you, that you love one another.
Notice that this is REPEATED TWICE, this commandment of Jesus, while there is NO repetition of ANY specific commandment relating to Mosaic Law contained in Jesus own words like this.
The Father gave more than 10 commandments, Jesus kept more than 10 commandments, and set example for us to follow of keeping more than 10 commandments.
While you are at it ask them to show why they think the Sabbath Day commandment is "moral law" when logically speaking I cannot fathom why it wouldn't be considered ceremonial instead.Actually, there is no "moral law" defined in the Bible. If I am mistaken, please provide chapter(s) and verse(s) which clearly state which commandments consitute the "moral law" and which constitute the "immoral law."
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