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I hope you don't mind my posting here, but I saw this thread and I realized I have all kinds of questions that no one could answer better than those who have been there.

They are simple questions, and I hope none of them are offensive.

But - how did you first get into substance abuse? I know it doesn't happen over night. Was it something that snuck up on you from taking too much of an over the counter thing? A deliberate effort to get high? A desire to fit in?

If you ever took anything illegal, even if it was alcohol before you were of a legal age, how did you get into that? Did someone give it to you? Was it offered to you by someone else?

If you were into anything that is illegal and sold on the streets, how did you get the money?

Didn't people around you let on they knew?

Most importantly, how could people you love/d have helped prevent or end it?
 
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But - how did you first get into substance abuse? I know it doesn't happen over night. Was it something that snuck up on you from taking too much of an over the counter thing? A deliberate effort to get high? A desire to fit in? to get high

If you ever took anything illegal, even if it was alcohol before you were of a legal age, how did you get into that? Did someone give it to you? Was it offered to you by someone else?
my parents had stuff lying around or did my girlfriends parents
If you were into anything that is illegal and sold on the streets, how did you get the money? always had money and a credit card,or my dad had money lying around and he never noticed it gone.

Didn't people around you let on they knew?
nobody knew at first that i was doing some things cos i snuck or hid it,plus if i got into a bad high,i'd go to bed afterwards. more so the last 2 years.
Most importantly, how could people you love/d have helped prevent or end it?
the person i lov(ed) did it with me,we did it together so we both are drugged up,crashing or trying to get it together. he showed me alot of it. i dont blame anyone though,nobody twisted my arm to use.
 
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My friends and I were hanging out, and my one friend had done it plenty before. He really enjoyed it, and I decided to try it. Let me be clear: NO peer pressure. Shortly before, I had been on MAOI's/anti-psychotics, and my friend more or less forbade me from trying anything while on those. I've only got one friend in the US right now, but he's a good one.
 
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How'd I get into it?
Well... I was looking for something to calm my nerves. Eventually I looked to it ever time I was stressed and then I looked to it for everything. I got hooked. My best friend at the time had the connections.
How'd I get the money?
Well... thats the horrible thing about my addiction. It was all for free.
Didn't people let on that they knew?
My other not so close friends knew. My mom had no idea. My other best friend who was the one who would keep me in line knew and strongly disapproved.
How could people have helped prevent it or end it?
I guess it could have been prevented by not even being offered to me, but since I've grown up around drug addict parents its a little difficult to think they are wrong because you've always seen it. My best friend that kept me in line and out of trouble was always furious with me when I was high or drunk but she always reminded me that she loved me no matter what I did. She'd talk to me about God and how he loved me no matter what I did too. That was exactly what I needed to end it all.



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Most importantly, how could people you love/d have helped prevent or end it?

They couldn't prevent it nor end it. Fact is that the more they tried, the more one drinks and drugs to get over the direct or implied guilt. An addict doesn't really see that they have a choice in the matter so harping on the dangers etc of their using, only affirms to them that they are weaklings, defective, immoral etc.

On the other hand approaching it from the perspective that they have the disease of addiction and that there is help available for that, may get the wheels turning. It won't happen though until the person using is starting to see that their life is becoming unmanagable because of their disease.
 
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I started smoking and drinking when I was 10. Not a lot, but it gradually grew in amount by my teens. The first time I tried my drug of choice (coke) I was about 20. Someone offered it to me, and I thought "what the hell." It did nothing for me, I didn't like it. All it did was sober me up from how much I'd been drinking. The next time was better. It took about a month before I was using every day, all day. The money to pay for it...I worked for that money, I held down four jobs to support my habit and still be able to pay my bills. Also, being female, I got a lot of it for free from guys (and I do mean free, I never sold myself for anything). Everyone around me knew, it was as clear as day. Some pretended not to notice, others treated me like scum because of it (particularly the ones that had their own habits, because they saw themselves in me and were lashing out at me due to a feeling of guilt they had...yes, I know, I've analyzed this a great deal), and others told me I needed to shape up, that I was scaring them, etc. As for people around me, no one could have prevented it. It was bound to happen, I was trying to escape from my personal hell (I know, how goth of me), and no one would have been able to stop me. I had to stop it myself.
 
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But - how did you first get into substance abuse? I know it doesn't happen over night. Was it something that snuck up on you from taking too much of an over the counter thing? A deliberate effort to get high? A desire to fit in?

The first time I smoked pot was with a group of close friends, we were all sort of curious about this 'weed' thing, having been told so much about it. I was 13 and most of my friends were 14, and we wanted to know for ourselves.

If you ever took anything illegal, even if it was alcohol before you were of a legal age, how did you get into that? Did someone give it to you? Was it offered to you by someone else?

Well the first few times it just happened to be there, but after that when it became a more personal thing, I would hit up my dealer

If you were into anything that is illegal and sold on the streets, how did you get the money?

My parents always gave me allowance, as well as letting me do yardwork and such for extra cash. Meeting up with buddies and matching money on a sack was always a great way to save money and have a good time.
 
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I used to tell myself the same things when I was smoking (from age 15 up until two months ago = 16 years)...I can hold a full-time job, pay the bills, go out at night, married, what's the problem?
Well, looking back I can see how I isolated myself from reality for years & years, enclosed in a bubble. My judgement was impaired on many things even when I didn't realise it. I stifled painful emotions with it and used it as a crutch to fall asleep. In essence, it ruled my life for years.
Not saying you two have the same problems, but there is alot of self-denial in long-term users such as myself (people who smoke everyday for years & years). Telling ourselves we're just fine and hell, weed's not even a drug is it?
But it is a drug...anything which intoxicates you and alters your brain chemistry & judgement is a drug and therefore an addictive substance. I think ganja should be legal and available for purchase by adults, but I also feel most chronic smokers are in denial about its effects.
 
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I used to tell myself the same things when I was smoking (from age 15 up until two months ago = 16 years)...I can hold a full-time job, pay the bills, go out at night, married, what's the problem?
Well, looking back I can see how I isolated myself from reality for years & years, enclosed in a bubble. My judgement was impaired on many things even when I didn't realise it. I stifled painful emotions with it and used it as a crutch to fall asleep. In essence, it ruled my life for years.
Not saying you two have the same problems, but there is alot of self-denial in long-term users such as myself (people who smoke everyday for years & years). Telling ourselves we're just fine and hell, weed's not even a drug is it?
But it is a drug...anything which intoxicates you and alters your brain chemistry & judgement is a drug and therefore an addictive substance. I think ganja should be legal and available for purchase by adults, but I also feel most chronic smokers are in denial about its effects.

I'm sure that this is your personal experience and I don't doubt the validity to that, but to me 'reality' is a lot more fluid than people expect, and weed certainly alters 'reality'. That's not to say that a person who smoke habitually is any less present in the world than a 'sober' person. *Staff edit*
 
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But - how did you first get into substance abuse? I know it doesn't happen over night. Was it something that snuck up on you from taking too much of an over the counter thing? A deliberate effort to get high? A desire to fit in?
Something Moriah calls "the pull" -- started at the age of 8. This sensation that would overtake it and "speak" to it and tell it where to go and what to do, and would attach itself to various things and imprint it deeply saying "this bes meant for you" "this bes where you belong" "this has something for you" or similar ideas. At the age of 12 it latched onto recreational substances, long before Moriah ever tried anything. As a result it went seeking after where it could obtain what it needed to fulfill this "calling", this "revelation". (The "pull" moved through a variety of deviant configurations before it finally found its ultimate anchor in demonic inhabitation and ceased there.)
It did not take long to discover who knew and had things. It had a sense of being called to a "path" of altered consciousness as a means and method of "finding the truth" (spiritually). It cared nothing for human conventions. Never has, never did, never will.

Fitting in had nothing to do with it. Moriah grew up in upper-middle-class country-club social setting. Stoners and freaks did NOT "fit in" -- they bes outcast and disparaged. In Moriah's generation it bes not like children of this generation where wise and compassionate people see these things as evidences of a troubled person needing help. In Moriah's generation it bes "bad behavior" fit to be "policed" and "punished". You bes not seen as a teenager WITH problems (needing help and fixing); you bes seen AS A PROBLEM needing punishing.

If you ever took anything illegal, even if it was alcohol before you were of a legal age, how did you get into that? Did someone give it to you? Was it offered to you by someone else?
It went seeking for those who bes into it already, who had a stash and could be persuaded to "turn it on".

If you were into anything that is illegal and sold on the streets, how did you get the money?
Begging small sums from friends and selling fake black beauties (fake pills) for awhile. Got the blanks from a shrink's office, filled 'em with sugar, that whole routine. That bes when it bes 13. It very rarely had to buy anything just hang out with the "right" ppls who had tons to share and it had everything it wanted every day. Pot, hash, speed, meth, mescaline, acid, ecstasy, quaaludes (hehehe dating itself here!!) you name it. Yeah EVERYTHING IT NEEDED TO DESTROY ITSELF, HOW NICE. At some point between age 14 and 15 it made a pact for this and it pretty much never had to have money again, it had all the drugs it wanted every day from acquaintances and associates. Dated dealers, that sort of thing.

Didn't people around you let on they knew?
Nobody cared, really. As it said ... you bes seen as a problem needing punishing, not as a person HAVING problems whats needing love, compassion, help, guidance, intervention, etc. It bes a different era back then == not like today. Parents/teachers/authorities only cared if you got "caught" because it meant you "disobeyed" rules/laws and then they could "punish". They did not care about you as a person. Parents only cared because it reflected poorly upon themselves, left them vulnerable to being talked about negatively in the community, or so they imagined. No one cared about moriah.

Most importantly, how could people you love/d have helped prevent or end it?
Oh wow. It could write a book on this. No way to end it once it starts but to prevent it? Wow.. . Start with taking kids seriously as people with legitimate needs and feelings. Start with finding a method of teaching, guiding, instructing that values the person above conformity to the rules and communicates that in no uncertain terms EVERY day so that bes the ONLY reality the kid knows, how much they bes loved and cherished above all no matter what their behavior bes -- ONLY in such an atmosphere can any child be properly motivated toward the good. Not being molested for 3 years probably would have been great, but beyond that, and even more important than that, would have been being treated like it mattered, like its pain and hurt and need bes something important, not to be mocked and made to feel like garbage over as if it had done some grave heinous unforgivable thing by being born, breathing, taking up space. Oh Lord the list could go on for eternity what could have been done to prevent it. :(
 
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Gee, it hopes nothing in its post will be construed as "promotion". It sought only to answer honestly about that time period in its life years ago as a teenager. Please mods if anything sounds "iffy" please givesy benefit of the doubt and do not assume it meant to "promote". Give it a chance to edit please if anything sounds that way, because it honestly does not mean anything to do so.
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But - how did you first get into substance abuse? I know it doesn't happen over night. Was it something that snuck up on you from taking too much of an over the counter thing? A deliberate effort to get high? A desire to fit in?

The first time I had alcohol, I loved it. I always drank to get drunk, I saw no sense in drinking for any other reason. I wanted to do it do it again, but because I was underage, it wasn't easy. I was 18. The opportunities didnt become very frequent until I went away to college. I didnt recognize it as a problem, until I was around 22-25, where I sought out opportunities to get drunk much more often than my friends. I tried to acquaint myself with friends who did not dis-approve.


If you ever took anything illegal, even if it was alcohol before you were of a legal age, how did you get into that? Did someone give it to you? Was it offered to you by someone else?

I drove to a state where the drinking age was 18.


Didn't people around you let on they knew?
Mostly no one said anything, but I am sure they knew. However, one person, who had an alcoholic father, said they thought I was an alcoholic. I denied it, but it caused me to consider the possibility.

Most importantly, how could people you love/d have helped prevent or end it?

I would recommend reading the book "Alcoholics Anonomus", and leaving a copy for them to read. Its important to know that if they are alcoholic, (or addicted to other mind altering drugs), it is not only a sickness of their mind, but of their body also. As with any sickness, it is their responsibility to seek treatment, but it is not something you can control on their own. So, being judgemental will only alienate you from them.
 
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Are you kidding this addict loves it when non users ask question.
Mine started because of the way I was raised it was all around me, the norm. If you didn't use there was something wrong with you. When I took my first drink, it took me. Peas and Carrots that what it was. I was a messy drunk and druggie, and I fell deeper into sin to get my fixes and I wasn't choosy if it could change the way I felt or stop me from feeling I would take it. I was willing to do what ever to have it. I would have been SKID ROW had God not intervened. Praise God. Amen.:bow:
My husband was a closet drinker, and his slowly developed into it. He is what is known as a control alcoholic. He had rules as to when he could drink with the idea that he would drink himself till he passed out. He never cross the line form liquor to drugs. Thank God :crossrc: it means he has less fried brain cells then me LOL.
Yes we still go to meetings every week, for it allows us to give back and to remember from once we came.:amen:

I hope this help you with your questions. If you find you have more please feel free to ask. God Bless.
 
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