If you commit suicide do you go to heaven?

[BustedFlat]

I believe that the original poster said his friend was a believer. If that was the case then that person is in heaven. Only God know the answer to that.
Could God use a believer committing suicide to affect the salvation of someone within that persons sphere of influence? With out a doubt. Could he use if to save someone who was a complete stranger in another country? Amen!
I have heard cancer sufferers in their last days talk about their need to be an inspiration to the unsaved to put their trust in Christ. They feel that Gods need to save trumps their physical pain for but short time.
God works in strange and wonderful ways as He goes about His Kingdom Business. I do not profess to understand the tiniest part of Gods plan for me, little lone the plan of anyone else. To the original poster I would take comfort in the promise of Everlasting Life in Jesus Christ and make sure each and every one of your friends know and understands your position on it.



God Bless you and bring you peace in your loss.



BustedFlat

 

[PeppermintTea]

It depends, if you are not saved~ no, if you are saved~ yes.

Sucide is not the unpardonable sin.

 

[rosiecotton]

It depends, if you are not saved~ no, if you are saved~ yes.

Sucide is not the unpardonable sin.

I agree with you. But many people believe that a 'truly saved' person wouldn't commit suicide. Or that because they couldn't 'confess' their sin after they did it, then they won't go to heaven.
Which means I guess, if we have any unconfessed sin at all in our life when we die, then we go to hell?? hmm.....

 

[holo]

None taken, but i have helped several people who were on the urge of suicide, and yes Jesus Christ is always the answer that helps them. So far, Everyone that was wanting to commit suicide, that i have had the opportunity to witness too about Christ, has turned away from their thoughts of suicide, all glory goes to Christ.

Good, but that's not a rule which will work for everybody. I'm glad God uses you to help troubled souls, but it's a fact that there are probably millions of depressed people who are seeking help from both therapists and friends and pastors, but they still end up killing themselves.

Well now you are a witness against your own self, that you lack faith, that He could be. You see my faith is, and always has been, that it is as simple as Turning to Christ, no matter what the circumstances are. So yes i surely believe this.

No, it's not that simple. I believe the bible even says so, in one psalm, that God heals wounds and bandages broken hearts - sometimes people are instantly healed, but more often than not, it seems they need a lot of time, especially when they've lived a lifetime of fear and sadness. Personally, Christ is helping and saving me everyday, but it's still a process.

Answer me one thing. Can Christ heal them of all these things ? Yes He can. Has Christ ever converted a sexually molesting junkie to become a True Christian ? Has Christ ever healed a person of a mental illness ? Has Christ ever helped people overcome anxieties where they could not even get out bed ? Christ can, and does do these things, but He must be asked in order to do so, it is not His fault they do not ask, therefore they do not get. Christ can heal anyone, no matter what the circumstances

Yes, but have you never prayed and nothing happened? I have, and every believer I know, have. I know God CAN heal my bad hearing, but I'm still not healed.

i'm sorry but a person who kills themselves ARE NOT thinking of their loved ones, else they would not kill themselves.

No, that's wrong. The first time I tried to die, I was actually doing it mostly for the sake of my family. I didn't want to trouble them anymore. Yes, my thinking was way wrong, but still. It wasn't just a selfish act. Many depressed people think that the world would actually be better off without them.

And i talk about suicide like it's some sort of an easy way out, because that is exactly why suicidal people want to commit suicide, How many people have you talked to, that desire to commit suicide, Because every one that i have ever talked to, or even read about, suicide was always the easy way out of their problems. This is not speculation but is FACT.

No, it's not. I can tell you, it's in no way EASY to tie a noose around your neck or try to fall off a cliff. You feel 100% lost and hopeless, you feel like a coward, or you feel like you simply don't have another choice. It actually takes a lot of courage and/or desperation to end your own life.

Suicide is NEVER the "easy" way out. It's always the last resort. Even in the concentration camps, suicide was pretty rare.

No person would commit suicide if they were thinking about their loved ones who would suffer because they are dead.

Yes they do. I did, both times I attempted suicide. Especially the last time, thinking about my family's sorrow tore me completely apart. But still, the pain and hopelessness was even greater than that. That's how hard and dark life can be.

And you have a right to your own opinion, but Scriptures teach otherwise.

No, I don't think the scriptures teach that if I die before I remember (or before I have the time to) confess every last sin, I will go to hell.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Good, but that's not a rule which will work for everybody. I'm glad God uses you to help troubled souls, but it's a fact that there are probably millions of depressed people who are seeking help from both therapists and friends and pastors, but they still end up killing themselves.

No, it's not that simple. I believe the bible even says so, in one psalm, that God heals wounds and bandages broken hearts - sometimes people are instantly healed, but more often than not, it seems they need a lot of time, especially when they've lived a lifetime of fear and sadness. Personally, Christ is helping and saving me everyday, but it's still a process.

Yes, but have you never prayed and nothing happened? I have, and every believer I know, have. I know God CAN heal my bad hearing, but I'm still not healed.

No, that's wrong. The first time I tried to die, I was actually doing it mostly for the sake of my family. I didn't want to trouble them anymore. Yes, my thinking was way wrong, but still. It wasn't just a selfish act. Many depressed people think that the world would actually be better off without them.

No, it's not. I can tell you, it's in no way EASY to tie a noose around your neck or try to fall off a cliff. You feel 100% lost and hopeless, you feel like a coward, or you feel like you simply don't have another choice. It actually takes a lot of courage and/or desperation to end your own life.

Suicide is NEVER the "easy" way out. It's always the last resort. Even in the concentration camps, suicide was pretty rare.

Yes they do. I did, both times I attempted suicide. Especially the last time, thinking about my family's sorrow tore me completely apart. But still, the pain and hopelessness was even greater than that. That's how hard and dark life can be.

No, I don't think the scriptures teach that if I die before I remember (or before I have the time to) confess every last sin, I will go to hell.

holo, believe what you will, but i have not failed to tell you the Truth on this matter, this Truth was given to me by God Himself, did not come from me, nor my studies, nor from my own understanding, i have told you what He has told me. You either choose to believe it or you don't.
you say >>> No, that's wrong. The first time I tried to die, I was actually doing it mostly for the sake of my family. I didn't want to trouble them anymore. Yes, my thinking was way wrong, but still. It wasn't just a selfish act. Many depressed people think that the world would actually be better off without them. <<<
Now i ask you is this type of thinking, from God or from satan ????????. You are a witness that MANY depressed people think that the world would actually be better off without them, this thinking is not Godly, nor Scriptural in any way whatsoever, it is the thinking of satan, to convince one to off him/her self. Here is the Truth. EVERYONE has a purpose. Scriptures teach this, Jesus taught this, the Disciples taught this, prophets of old, taught this. If then someone thinks the world would be better off without them, they do not believe Scriptures or they are ignorant of what Scriptures teach, they altogether lack Faith, that God has a plan for them. and He does have a plan for them, if they would turn to Him and believe, by committing suicide you have utterly destroyed what God's will was for you. My prayer is that you do not discuss your beliefs with anyone who is suicidal, for in your eyes, and in your own statements, you witness that it is a good thing, that it takes courage to commit suicide. Making it appear that one is courageous if they commit suicide. The advise anyone should give to one that is suicidal, is that there is another way to deal with whatever it is you are dealing with.
God told me one time to turn down this one gravel road, so i did as He told me, after about 20 minutes on this road, i came across a girl fixing to jump off a bridge and kill herself, because her boyfriend and five of his friends raped her repeatedly. i informed her that killing herself is not the answer, and their is a better way through Christ. Well to make a long story short, God told me to tell her to join the military, she did, and years later she found me, and thanked me for stopping her from committing suicide, because she turned to Christ and did what He instructed her to do, she is now pregnant with the best husband in the world, according to her, then. i told her, thank God not me, i only told you what He told me to tell you. email me if you want the full story of this event. DiscipleDave@aol.com MY POINT is, suicide is wrong, and God does not approve of it, i am telling you what He Himself has told me, concerning this topic, i have not lied to you, nor have i decieved you, it is the Truth. You choose whether to believe it or not. But i have done what is required of me to do, and that is relay to you what He has relayed to me. He told me it is not my responsiblity to try to convince anyone of anything, but only that i reveal the Truth to as many as i am able to do. Those who have the Holy Ghost, and Truly have the Holy Ghost, will know that what i say is the Truth, for the sheep knows its Masters voice. i have told you the Truth, NOthing that i have said is contrary to any Scriptures, only contrary to what you believe is the Truth, you see to it. He that hath an ear, let them hear what the Truth says.

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[TVS]

I dont know how to answer this..

I have stuggled with depression for a long time.. and have felt as if suicide was the only answer.. so i know how some of these people feel before they go through with it.

I always think back.. what if i did? There are so many things in life that stink and i wouldnt have to deal with anymore..

The only real answer is "nobody knows" We can hope and pray, but nothing can be said otherwise

Oh, and i am doing very well now, God has truly blessed me even through some really hard times

 

[rosiecotton]

holo, believe what you will, but i have not failed to tell you the Truth on this matter, this Truth was given to me by God Himself, did not come from me, nor my studies, nor from my own understanding, i have told you what He has told me. You either choose to believe it or you don't.
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I just love it when people think they have the 'truth' on something and those who disagree with them don't have the 'truth'.
I honestly believe you do not 'get' what holo is trying to say. Has he said suicide is a good thing? Has he said that it's ok with God? Do you honestly believe he or anyone else would tell someone 'Oh, it's ok to committ suicide...go ahead'. If so, where has he said that?
He is trying to explain to you what someone goes through who has gotten to the point of thinking of committing suicide-that they are not thinking rationally.
Apparently, it's pointless to try to explain this.

 

[holo]

you say >>> No, that's wrong. The first time I tried to die, I was actually doing it mostly for the sake of my family. I didn't want to trouble them anymore. Yes, my thinking was way wrong, but still. It wasn't just a selfish act. Many depressed people think that the world would actually be better off without them. <<<
Now i ask you is this type of thinking, from God or from satan ????????. You are a witness that MANY depressed people think that the world would actually be better off without them, this thinking is not Godly, nor Scriptural in any way whatsoever, it is the thinking of satan, to convince one to off him/her self.

I'm not saying it's from God or satan or anybody else for that matter, I'm just saying that that's the way some people think - they're obviously wrong, probably mentally disturbed, but the fact is that some people DO kill themselves for the sake of others.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, in fact it's a horrible thing. But you shouldn't accuse suicidal people of being selfish.

Here is the Truth. EVERYONE has a purpose. Scriptures teach this, Jesus taught this, the Disciples taught this, prophets of old, taught this. If then someone thinks the world would be better off without them, they do not believe Scriptures or they are ignorant of what Scriptures teach, they altogether lack Faith, that God has a plan for them. and He does have a plan for them, if they would turn to Him and believe, by committing suicide you have utterly destroyed what God's will was for you.

Yes, God has a good will and a hope for everyone. But it's not like simply reading the bible will make you well. Sure, God can do that, too. He didn't for me, he helped me in other ways.

My prayer is that you do not discuss your beliefs with anyone who is suicidal, for in your eyes, and in your own statements, you witness that it is a good thing, that it takes courage to commit suicide.

EXCUSE ME.

I DO NOT IN ANY WAY SAY THAT SUICIDE IS A GOOD THING.

It takes a certain amount of courage, just like murdering people takes courage. That doesn't make it a good thing.

God told me one time to turn down this one gravel road, so i did as He told me, after about 20 minutes on this road, i came across a girl fixing to jump off a bridge and kill herself, because her boyfriend and five of his friends raped her repeatedly. i informed her that killing herself is not the answer, and their is a better way through Christ. Well to make a long story short, God told me to tell her to join the military, she did, and years later she found me, and thanked me for stopping her from committing suicide, because she turned to Christ and did what He instructed her to do, she is now pregnant with the best husband in the world, according to her, then. i told her, thank God not me, i only told you what He told me to tell you.

That's brilliant! The last time I tried to kill myself, God used a friend to save me. It was a real miracle.

MY POINT is, suicide is wrong, and God does not approve of it, i am telling you what He Himself has told me, concerning this topic, i have not lied to you, nor have i decieved you, it is the Truth.

But I'm not saying it's good or right or the will of God, I'm only reacting to how you call it selfish and cowardly, and that you seem to make it so easy. But it rarely is. People are complicated.

 

[jad123]

Just curious but can a believer commit suicide? One who has the Holy Spirit living inside them?

 

[cavell]

I have been asking friends and family this question and also trying to do some research on it and get mixed answers.

I ask this because a friend of Mine whom I was very close with in high school committed suicide on Easter Sunday.. If you know of any answers to this please let me know and thanks!

Committing suicide, taking one's own life, takes a lot of courage. Desperation, completely and utterly, must be the reason.

More suicide's today then ever before in human history! Such are the pressures of human life.

God is merciful slow to anger and swift in mercy. (bible)

I am sure that all those dear folks who have been driven, found the only answer to be suicide, will have found peace in the arms of Jesus

 

[DiscipleDave]

I just love it when people think they have the 'truth' on something and those who disagree with them don't have the 'truth'. .

That is exactly what they said to the Disciples of Jesus Christ also.
i have said it before and i say it now, the Truth that i know and teach was told to me by God Himself, He it is that told me to teach what He has told me to teach, None of what i teach comes from me, nor from my own understanding. But if God told me, those who commit suicide do not have Christ in their hearts, i believe this and teach this as the Truth from God. IF then this thinking or belief comes from my own thinking, i would clearly have said " Well, i think " or " it's my opinion that " or something like that, But what i teach is the Truth and is the Truth of God, and i assure you with no doubts whatsoever if you do not believe me, then you will not believe Him, for it is He who has told me these things. Know you not that it is written:

Rv:21:8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if i say it is from God and God told, me, then He did, else let me burn in the fire for all eternity, let me die a horrible slow, painful death, above any pain anyone has ever experienced before. If i say it is from God and it is not, i am a liar, and a blasphemer, which is not forgivable. Therefore i assure you, if i say it is from God Himself, then you would be advised to hearken unto it, and believe, for i do not lie, and i alway tell the Truth. IF then what i teach is contrary to any Scriptures, then do not believe it, but if what i teach is not contrary to any Scriptures, then believe. How is it what i teach is not contrary to Scriptures, but is contrary to what people believe is the Truth. God has revealed many things to me, i have seen angels, and have had conversations with God Himself. i have not failed to tell you the truth. god has called me from my birth to teach the Truth to people in these last days, and i have not failed Him, and have taught everything that He has told me. Many of which i am not at liberty to even discuss with people for the time is not right, but He told me when it is, He will then reveal it to me.
You can either believe God still communicates with people, or He does not speak with people any more. i will not try to convince you of it, but have merely told you the Truth. i would be careful if i were you, Some who say they are teaching the Truth of God, might in fact doing just that.
i forgive you for making a statement towards me, like the one you did. i love you, and desire for you to know the Truth. i am really sorry, if you don't believe God speaks to people any more. But as far as i know, Scriptures stand True. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. It is not my fault that today's generation do not believe God speaks to people any more. not my fault at all, they lack Faith that He does.

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[FenderElctrc]

I don't believe they always go to hell. I agree with post #2 & #3. It's not up to us. We shouldn't worry about that. That's God's decision.

 

[holo]

i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if i say it is from God and God told, me, then He did, else let me burn in the fire for all eternity, let me die a horrible slow, painful death, above any pain anyone has ever experienced before. If i say it is from God and it is not, i am a liar, and a blasphemer, which is not forgivable.

Look, you don't have to be a blasphemer. Perhaps you're simply mistaken.

I doubt that God told you that everybody who kills themselves are selfish and/or goes to hell. I certainly don't know of any scripture that says such a thing either.

It's not like you go to hell if you forget to confess or repent or ask forgiveness for one sin before you die. That's not how grace works. Grace is the condition you're in, it's about who you ARE, not how you perform, how you feel or what you remember. People will not be condemned to hell for being mentally ill or feeling utterly hopeless and desperate.

If suicide condemned one to hell, I would be doubly condemned now, since I attempted it twice. But I'm still saved, and I was saved when I tried to die, too - the problem wasn't that I didn't love God or that I rejected him or that I was selfish. The problem was that, despite your promises that "simply turn to God and everything will be alright" just don't work like that. It's NOT a magical formula, it's not a ritual you perform or something you simply decide to do. It may take years of work and support and therapy etc etc.

 

[rosiecotton]

I've never said that God doesn't speak to people or through people anymore. But, yeah, I'm sorry, but I tend to be somewhat sceptical when one person says 'this is what God told me', especially when it's something that the Bible doesn't necessarily address.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I've never said that God doesn't speak to people or through people anymore. But, yeah, I'm sorry, but I tend to be somewhat sceptical when one person says 'this is what God told me', especially when it's something that the Bible doesn't necessarily address.

Acts:2:17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

These will not prophesy things that are already in the Bible, If they do, all they are doing is repeating what has already been prophesied, and are not prophesizing at all, but merely repeating prophesies. These sons and daughters shall prophesy, new revelations, NEW PROPHESIES, things that were sealed up in the past, but will be revealed in the last days.

Rev 10:4: And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Many things have been sealed, until the last days, when God's spirit will pour upon the people, and then the sons and daughters shall reveal these prophesies that were sealed up until this time. It is not God's fault nor mine, that people do not have faith that there are prophets in these modern times, For whent they do present themselves, they are ridiculed and made fun of, because they claim to hear God, and talk with Him, and they are saying things that can't be found in the Bible. However, no matter what they are called, or no matter what people think of them, does not change the fact that they are in fact what they say they are.
If someone teaches something contrary to Scriptures, then that one is False, if someone teaches something is going to come to pass and it does not, that one is False, If someone has deciet, or teaches to do something contrary to Scriptures, that one is False. If someone claims they speak to God and Him to them, and they knowingly and willingly obey satan and commit sins, they are false.
i will say it again, not that i am boasting, but as a witness to you, what i know and teach is from God Himself. i even told Him, " Lord, the world does not believe all the things you have told me to teach " He then told me, raising His voice at me " You are not to convince them of these Truths, but make them aware of these Truths, that way they do not commit sins in ignorance, but have had the Truth presented to them."
Anyone who has read these words that i have put on this board concerning Suicide, if they even after hearing this Truth that i have taught concerning Suicide, commit suicide anyway, they cannot stand before God and say they didn't know they would go to Hell for doing so, Because they will be informed by Jesus " My servant DiscipleDave, and many others have informed you that it was against God, yet you did it anyway, go from me, I know you not " You see it is not God's fault nor all those who have informed you that Suicide is against God, that you do not believe them, but turn from the Truth, to believe your own thinking, even when many have come to you in Christ, and have told you otherwise, you refuse to believe them. you and only you have doomed yourself to Hell, by committing suicide.
Again, i have told you the Truth on this matter, and this Truth is from God.
i will not respond to this thread any longer, i have said what i was suppose to teach, and i will not cast pearls before swine. If then you wish to continue to discuss this topic, email me at DiscipleDave@aol.com
Thank you and May God bless you and all that that love you and that you love.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ

DiscipleDave

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[holo]

Nobody is saying that suicide isn't "against God", but I have no reason whatosever to believe that this particular sin is somehow unforgivable and will send anyone to hell. The bible does speak of some sort of unforgivable sin, and that's not suicide.

As I mentioned, if suicide DOES condemn me to hell, I'm doubly condemned right now.

 

[neilius73]

People who commit suicide are under extreme mental duress. Suicides are often from the cause of mental illness,and im sure God wouldnt allow someone to be cast off because of commiting such an act.
Having said that, I'm fortunate and pray to god that there will never be a suicide in my family (there hasnt been), because the death of a family member, thru suicide, is not like a normal death; it lingers on for years, leaving all left behind with questions and doubts which can be very hard to resolve, if ever in this life.

 

[LonelyTraveler]

Yes, we do go to Heaven.

 

[Neenie]

i will say it again, not that i am boasting, but as a witness to you, what i know and teach is from God Himself. i even told Him, " Lord, the world does not believe all the things you have told me to teach " He then told me, raising His voice at me " You are not to convince them of these Truths, but make them aware of these Truths, that way they do not commit sins in ignorance, but have had the Truth presented to them."
Anyone who has read these words that i have put on this board concerning Suicide, if they even after hearing this Truth that i have taught concerning Suicide, commit suicide anyway, they cannot stand before God and say they didn't know they would go to Hell for doing so, Because they will be informed by Jesus " My servant DiscipleDave, and many others have informed you that it was against God, yet you did it anyway, go from me, I know you not " You see it is not God's fault nor all those who have informed you that Suicide is against God, that you do not believe them, but turn from the Truth, to believe your own thinking, even when many have come to you in Christ, and have told you otherwise, you refuse to believe them. you and only you have doomed yourself to Hell, by committing suicide.
Again, i have told you the Truth on this matter, and this Truth is from God.
i will not respond to this thread any longer, i have said what i was suppose to teach, and i will not cast pearls before swine. If then you wish to continue to discuss this topic, email me at DiscipleDave@aol.com
Thank you and May God bless you and all that that love you and that you love.

In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ

DiscipleDave

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Wow….you are deluded. you are definitely deluded.

 

[Christinz]

Don't know if this has been said and not trying to shock anyone but, in a way didn't Jesus also take his own life? I mean he died for us. He could of choose not to.