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If you commit suicide do you go to heaven?
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God is not stupid. If you want to end your life, and you intentionally set yourself up to be killed.... He knows it. And it's just as bad.
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only GOD knows the last thoughts of a person who take his/her life. maybe even praying to GOD like 'LORD, the cross you gave me to carry is to heavy', i can't take it anymore.
or it could be in a moment of to much alcohol or other drug.
so if only GOD knows the persons last thoughts it is his decision only, nothing to do with ruling of any church, also there is no bible passage to condemn suicide.
and GOD is loving and full of compassion and forgiveness, so my answer to this question is 'yes you can go to heaven'
your brother in CHRIST norbie
or it could be in a moment of to much alcohol or other drug.
so if only GOD knows the persons last thoughts it is his decision only, nothing to do with ruling of any church, also there is no bible passage to condemn suicide.
and GOD is loving and full of compassion and forgiveness, so my answer to this question is 'yes you can go to heaven'
your brother in CHRIST norbie
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It angers me how hypocritical some you fundamentalists really are. I can’t believe you people use lies to incite fear into the most struggling of Christians. There is nothing in the bible that says a suicide will go to hell, absolutely nothing! Yet, many religious fundamentalists make up filthy lies as a way of somehow “preventing” people.
Drop the fear tactics and start telling the truth!!!
Drop the fear tactics and start telling the truth!!!
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amen to this! fully agree with you, telling the truth is the answer, telling about a loving GOD who send JESUS to us....
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Go to google and type in amightywind and you will find info about her ministry. She is an apostle of God Yahveh.
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That's a very hard question to answer since God is the only one who knows. It scares me to think about it.
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DiscipleDave
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If a person commits suicide, Where is the Peace in Christ ? A person who Truly knows the peace of Christ, would never commit suicide, for they would be at peace, no matter what their circumstances were.
It is never the Will of God that one commits suicide, NEVER, therefore those who commit suicide are NOT living by the will of God are they ?
God does not create a life and says " My will for this life is at the age of 35 he will get so depressed that he will kill himself " This is NEVER The will of God.
ONly satan desires to kill us, especially when we are not in the Grace of God.
Question: Those who commmit suicide, why did they not turn to Christ ? Why did they not seek help from other Christians ?
Those who commit suicide, Have not turned to Christ, if they would have, they would not have committed suicide.
Every life on this planet has a purpose, And for someone to merely kill themselves, is an easy escape, then to deal with whatever it is, that they think they can't handle. i mean lets face it, the only reason a person commits suicide is because they are dealing with something, that they think they can't handle, and there is no other way to escape from it, therefore the only solution they can think of is ending their own life, so they no longer have to deal with what ever it is they are dealing with, it is merely an escape, instead of dealing with the issues that is causing this turmoil, satan convinces them that the way to escape it, is death, they do not turn to Christ for help, if they would have, Christ would never instruct them to kill themselves, Never would He teach this or say this to anyone. So then those who commit suicide, have altogether obeyed satan, and have not hearkened to the teachings of Christ, For in all of Scriptures, it teaches us that we will suffer, that we will have tribulations, that we will go through the vallies of death, that we will be hated, that the world will hate us, and falsely accuse us, Scriptures teach that we will suffer for righteousness sake. Scriptures teach us in times like these to look to Christ, to hold fast to the faith, to not waiver, to Trust in the Lord, to Love. NOT KILL OURSELVES, One who commits suicide, has did everything CONTRARY to Scriptures, they lack the knowledge of what Scriptures teach us.
Also, i would like to point out, the only time a sin can be forgiven, is AFTER it is committed, Saying " Please forgive me for what I am about to do " and then blowing your brains out, is not True repentance. One can only repent AFTER they have committed a sin. Repentence is to be sorry for having committed a particular sin, you Can't ask before you commit that sin, It is something you must ask after the sin is committed. A person who commits suicide CAN"T ask forgiveness for it, they are dead and can't ask, therefore they are not forgiven, because they were unable to ask for forgiveness.
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It is never the Will of God that one commits suicide, NEVER, therefore those who commit suicide are NOT living by the will of God are they ?
God does not create a life and says " My will for this life is at the age of 35 he will get so depressed that he will kill himself " This is NEVER The will of God.
ONly satan desires to kill us, especially when we are not in the Grace of God.
Question: Those who commmit suicide, why did they not turn to Christ ? Why did they not seek help from other Christians ?
Those who commit suicide, Have not turned to Christ, if they would have, they would not have committed suicide.
Every life on this planet has a purpose, And for someone to merely kill themselves, is an easy escape, then to deal with whatever it is, that they think they can't handle. i mean lets face it, the only reason a person commits suicide is because they are dealing with something, that they think they can't handle, and there is no other way to escape from it, therefore the only solution they can think of is ending their own life, so they no longer have to deal with what ever it is they are dealing with, it is merely an escape, instead of dealing with the issues that is causing this turmoil, satan convinces them that the way to escape it, is death, they do not turn to Christ for help, if they would have, Christ would never instruct them to kill themselves, Never would He teach this or say this to anyone. So then those who commit suicide, have altogether obeyed satan, and have not hearkened to the teachings of Christ, For in all of Scriptures, it teaches us that we will suffer, that we will have tribulations, that we will go through the vallies of death, that we will be hated, that the world will hate us, and falsely accuse us, Scriptures teach that we will suffer for righteousness sake. Scriptures teach us in times like these to look to Christ, to hold fast to the faith, to not waiver, to Trust in the Lord, to Love. NOT KILL OURSELVES, One who commits suicide, has did everything CONTRARY to Scriptures, they lack the knowledge of what Scriptures teach us.
Also, i would like to point out, the only time a sin can be forgiven, is AFTER it is committed, Saying " Please forgive me for what I am about to do " and then blowing your brains out, is not True repentance. One can only repent AFTER they have committed a sin. Repentence is to be sorry for having committed a particular sin, you Can't ask before you commit that sin, It is something you must ask after the sin is committed. A person who commits suicide CAN"T ask forgiveness for it, they are dead and can't ask, therefore they are not forgiven, because they were unable to ask for forgiveness.
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DiscipleDave
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Answer me this. If committing suicide is not against Christ, and by doing so you can go to Heaven right this second, what on earth is stopping you?
i mean, if killing myself is a ticket to Heaven, then i assure you with no doubts whatsoever i would off myself right this second, why on earth stay another second on this planet, so satan can continue to tempt me ?
You do error in saying it is not evil to commit suicide, tell me this, where in Scriptures does it say you can ? It doesn't, and your right it doesn't say you can't either, but here is the Truth, what is the condition of the heart of a person who commits suicide, is that condition one of Christ or one of SELF. that is where this sin is.
Again, answer me this Question: What is the condition of the heart of the person who commits suicide ? Are they full of joy because they have Christ in there life, or are they full of sadness and despair because of the circumstances they are in ? If they have Christ in their hearts, they would in fact have joy, even in the midst of there tribulations, throughout the entire Bible, there are many examples of people who are persecuted yet still have the joy of Christ in them, no matter what there circumstances.
At the end of a persons life, their heart, is what will be judged, whether that heart is of Christ or is full of self. A person who commits suicide, no longer deems fit to live life any longer, and does not turn to Christ, but turns to DEATH as an answer to what they are going through, and in this, it is an ungodly act, therefore sinful.
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Don’t twist my words, I never said committing suicide is ok by God. But I think God is going to be a lot more lenient on the person who suffered mental illness. Most people who suicide suffer from chronic depression, borderline personality disorder, bipolar and other mental illness. There is a chemical unbalance in the brain and there is instability in their mood and behavior.
God does not send these people straight to hell, like what some people are saying. He will judge on the situation, and motives of a believer who committed suicide.
I'm not in error, because I never said it was not an evil thing to commit suicide, in fact I agreed that it is a sin two pages back.
That is between them and God.
Is Christ going to condemn them for having an ilness?
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holo
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No offense, DiscipleDave,
but I really hope suicidal people won't come to you for help, because this kind of thinking will only bring them further down.
You talk about suicide like it's some sort of easy way out, as if it's easy to kill yourself, that those who do it simply don't care about their loved ones.
but I really hope suicidal people won't come to you for help, because this kind of thinking will only bring them further down.
Who's to say they didn't? Surely you realize that it's not as simple as "turning to Christ" or to other christians, and your problem gets solved.
That's a horrible way to look at people's lives and problems. Is a sexually molested junkie supposed to just "turn to Christ and deal with it"? How about those with mental illnesses? How about all those who can't even get out of bed because of sheer anxiety, who've met no understanding frmo church and no real help in pills and therapists?
You talk about suicide like it's some sort of easy way out, as if it's easy to kill yourself, that those who do it simply don't care about their loved ones.
All sins were paid for over 2000 years ago. It's not like you'll go to hell tonight if you curse someone and forget to repent before you go to bed.
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holo
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If this is how you feel, you should seek help. Talk with someone. Your life isn't supposed to be so depressing. I also assume you have family that cares about you, and perhaps you have dreams you would like to fulfill?
So you don't have Christ in your heart then, since you can't think of a reason not to die right now?
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No one is saying that committing suicide isn't against Christ. I don't believe God ever wants anyone to commit suicide. I'm not saying it's 'ok' to commit suicide.
But, if it's true that I'll still go to heaven even if I commit suicide I would not kill myself right now. I think it's sad that you would do that. I love my friends and family and the life that God has given me. God wants us to have an abundant life here on earth and enjoy what He has given us.
What is the difference between that person that does commit suicide and you, who states you'd commit suicide right now if it was a ticket to heaven? What does that say for the condition of your heart? Do you not have the joy in Christ you talk about? If so, then why would you say that?
The thing is, none of us knows that persons heart. Only God does. He knows what has driven them to that point in their life. I believe God's mercy is a lot bigger than many of us realize.
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Please do not get me wrong, i am not speaking to you personally, but speaking to all as a whole. i am not singleling you out, but saying this to all people, not just you in particular, if i have offended you, please forgive me.
Could all of these have turned to Christ and be healed ? It is understandable if a person commits suicide, that is 100% unable to turn to Christ for help or a healing. In this case and this case ONLY is that person not held responsible for his actions of suicide. However if the person can THINK and could have turned to Christ for help or a healing, and yet commit suicide instead, this is an ungodly act, because they could have turned to Christ but refused to do so, refused to accept His Grace and His Love, but decided to take matters into their own hands, by ending their own life. This is not Godly, therefore sinful
Again, please do not take it personally, i am not talking specifically to you, but to all as a whole. but this statement is to all those who believe suicide is not sinful, whether you believe it is or not, i know not, but my teaching is not to you specifically but to all those who read what is written. So please do not take offence at my statement as if it is directly to you, for that was not my intentions, and if you are offended, i do appoligize to you, and hope you will forgive me.
Heaven's no, Christ will not condemn them because they have an illness, but Christ will have no choice to condemn them if they FAIL to to turn to Him for the help they so drastically need. Christ cannot force anyone to come to Him, they must first come to Christ for assistance, and if they do not, it is not Christ's fault that they didn't, but it is there fault they did not come to Christ for assistance in their time of need. Of coarse if they are mentally UNABLE to ask for Christ, or to seek His help, then that is a different story. But 99% of all suicides, they could have seeked help from Christ, but choose not to, thinking death is a better answer then Christ, in doing this, it is sinful.
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None taken, but i have helped several people who were on the urge of suicide, and yes Jesus Christ is always the answer that helps them. So far, Everyone that was wanting to commit suicide, that i have had the opportunity to witness too about Christ, has turned away from their thoughts of suicide, all glory goes to Christ.
Well now you are a witness against your own self, that you lack faith, that He could be. You see my faith is, and always has been, that it is as simple as Turning to Christ, no matter what the circumstances are. So yes i surely believe this.
Answer me one thing. Can Christ heal them of all these things ? Yes He can. Has Christ ever converted a sexually molesting junkie to become a True Christian ? Has Christ ever healed a person of a mental illness ? Has Christ ever helped people overcome anxieties where they could not even get out bed ? Christ can, and does do these things, but He must be asked in order to do so, it is not His fault they do not ask, therefore they do not get. Christ can heal anyone, no matter what the circumstances
i'm sorry but a person who kills themselves ARE NOT thinking of their loved ones, else they would not kill themselves. And i talk about suicide like it's some sort of an easy way out, because that is exactly why suicidal people want to commit suicide, How many people have you talked to, that desire to commit suicide, Because every one that i have ever talked to, or even read about, suicide was always the easy way out of their problems. This is not speculation but is FACT. No person would commit suicide if they were thinking about their loved ones who would suffer because they are dead. They ( usually ) are thinking of no one but their own selves at the time they commit suicide. Of course there are other circumstances, but for the most part, most suicides are committed because they are thinking about self and not the love of their loved ones.
And you have a right to your own opinion, but Scriptures teach otherwise.
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And you are correct, it is not OK to commit suicide.
Jn:12:25: He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
If as a Christian, one would love this life, then i would question that persons walk with Christ, for it is written of Christians that they will be hated, and persecuted for righteousness sake, Jesus says marvel not if the world hates you, if then you love life and the world loves you, then you are a friend of the world, and the world loves its own. A True Christian, wants Christ to come right NOW and take them from this wicked generation, even as Lot left sodom. A True Christian is waiting for the return of the Lord, that He comes quickly and not tarry. IF then a person loves life, these are they that do not desire to leave right now, they love life, and desire to live it as long as possible. There is nothing greater in this life that we live, then to worship Jesus Christ, it is written:
Phil:1:21: For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
A Christian should think and feel this way. If i die, i will be with the One that I worship, if i live, i am among the filth of the world, if i die, i will be in God's kindom, if i live i am in satans kindom, for he is the god of this world
2Cor:4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
So please do not feel sad for me, because i am right this second prepared to leave EVERYTHING to be with Christ, even loved ones, and this abundant life the Lord has given me, still would rather be with Him NOW, then to have an abundant life for 80 more years.
True, Yet He would also desire us to be with Him NOW, then to have that abundant life.
The difference is, i KNOW it is against God to commit suicide. The difference between one who commits suicide and myself, is that he/she is dead and i am still living. Here is the biggy, IF it was a ticket to Heaven by committing suicide, i would in fact do it right now. If i have a million dollars and want to give it to you, and ask you if you want it now or 50 years from now, would you not want that great gift now ? If then God asks me do you want to come to Heaven right now, or many years from now, Guess what my answer will be. NOW, but those who love life, will actually have to think about it, How many RIGHT NOW want to go to Heaven, this second ? Those who truly desire to go to Heaven will not hessitate in the slightest to say RIGHT NOW. So then, back to what we were discussing, if IF committing suicide was in fact a way for me to get to Heaven, right now, you better believe i would do it in a heartbeat. HOWEVER, i know that suicide does NOT get a person to Heaven, but is an ungodly act, it is sinful, and is a sin you cannot repent of. It is not a way to get to Heaven, nor can one go to Heaven if they commit suicide, not choosing Christ.
i have the joy of Christ in me, which should i choose, having the joy of Christ in me, or being with Christ in His Kingdom in Heaven ? If i had the choice i would choose to be with Him in Heaven, and if ( IF ) suicide gets one to Heaven, then yes i would commit suicide to get to Heaven, ( IF ) that were possible. But i know full well suicide is not of God, and it is not a way for a person to get to Heaven, at all.
You say none of knows that persons heart, this is not True, for one's actions and thoughts reveal the condition of one's heart. Any person who commits suicide, that is to say, they desire to kill themself. It is written thou shalt not kill, i guess that only means Killing others, and not self. lol, thou shalt not kill, means thou shalt not kill, including your own self. A person who kills themself, has in fact killed, which is sinful. God desires no one to kill themself. it is not the will of God that someone is so depressed and so lacking faith and joy, and the peace of Christ, that they kill themself, to end their misery or their pain on this Earth, at the moment they die they are NOT living in the will of God, but in fact are living in their own will for themself. they have altogether not turned to Christ, if they would have Truly turned to Christ, they would know the Peace of Christ, and no matter what circumastance they are in, they would still have the peace of Christ, if in fact Christ was in them. Christ being in a flesh, would never allow that flesh to commit suicide. therefore the question then is this: Where is Christ when a person commits suicide ? If Christ was in that person, they would have Peace, and would not kill themself.
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Well I'm not going to continue to argue with you. But, you do not need to question my walk with Christ. When I say I love my life, I mean it in the way as the life God gave me. Am I supposed to go around hating everything in my life and saying "Oh, please come back now Jesus??" Sure, if Christ were to return right now, it would be wonderful. But, yes, I do enjoy my life right now--it's a life God has given me! I love my family and friends...that doesn't mean I love them more than God.
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