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You seem to feel that love and sex are interconnected.

As someone with extensive experience in both, I can attest that that is an un-true idea.

Romantic love and sex are connected, I don't think that other kinds of love are.
 
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Romantic love and sex are connected, I don't think that other kinds of love are.
People who are romantically in love with one another are completely capable of not having sex. It's not like romantic love has to involve sex. Otherwise, people would be incapable of waiting until marriage to have sex with their romantic partner, which obviously isn't true.
 
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Romantic love and sex are connected
Not necessarily. We frequently do connect them, but that doesnt mean they are inherently connected.

I don't think that other kinds of love are.
Again, any form of love can be connected to sex if the participants wish. There is no set formula.

As an aside, I'm curious where your expertise on this subject was gathered.

I have been through the trenches of love many times in my life and my sexual experiences started at 14. I have something of a basis for my conclusions. You are, by your own admissions, completely abstinent and I've not seen you mention any female companions so....I dont know how seriously I can take your conclusions on the subject.

A person with no experience in sex and little in love giving his views on the subjects is rather like a life-long vegetarian giving his thoughts on the best way to cook fillet mignon
 
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People who are romantically in love with one another are completely capable of not having sex. It's not like romantic love has to involve sex. Otherwise, people would be incapable of waiting until marriage to have sex with their romantic partner, which obviously isn't true.

I'm not saying that they do it all the time or that they are incapable of waiting, just that they do want it.
 
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Not necessarily. We frequently do connect them, but that doesnt mean they are inherently connected.

They are obviously related.

Again, any form of love can be connected to sex if the participants wish. There is no set formula.

As an aside, I'm curious where your expertise on this subject was gathered.

I have been through the trenches of love many times in my life and my sexual experiences started at 14. I have something of a basis for my conclusions. You are, by your own admissions, completely abstinent and I've not seen you mention any female companions so....I dont know how seriously I can take your conclusions on the subject.

A person with no experience in sex and little in love giving his views on the subjects is rather like a life-long vegetarian giving his thoughts on the best way to cook fillet mignon

Any form of love? Brotherly love does not include sex, love for your mother or father does not involve sex.
 
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They are obviously related.
Humor me

Any form of love? Brotherly love does not include sex, love for your mother or father does not involve sex.
We don't typically combine them in that fashion but thats not to say it cant be done.

You didnt answer my question. How do I take what you say seriously when you dont seem to have any real experience on the subject?
 
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I HAVE explained myself, repeatedly. You have not answered my questions and not responded to almost everything I've said.

From what I can tell from internet searches, romantic love is sexual. Romance may be the term you're looking for. Romance is used to describe those things done in a romantic relationship that are not sexual but foster the feelings of love, affinity, etc.
 
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From what I can tell from internet searches, romantic love is sexual.
Yes, because it's on the internet, it MUST be true.

As someone who's actually BEEN in romantic relationships AND had sex, I can attest that romance does not have to involve sex. We often package the two, but there is no necessity for them to be together.

Romance may be the term you're looking for. Romance is used to describe those things done in a romantic relationship that are not sexual but foster the feelings of love, affinity, etc.
Now you are splitting hairs.


For the third time, why should I take what you have to say on this subject seriously? You have no apparent practical experience to speak of whereas I've been dancing Ovid's steps since I was 14. Love isn't something you can study in a clinical fashion, if you aren't in the trenches taking the shells, you cant really have an idea of what it's like. Love is a singular experience that I could compare to nothing else on earth. You cant learn about it by searching the internet.
 
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Yes, because it's on the internet, it MUST be true.

Psy 180 said the same thing.

Now you are splitting hairs.

It's important to be specific, i'm still not sure why you are trying to change a set understanding of the term.
 
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Steezie

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Psy 180 said the same thing.
Things are not as cut and dried as they appear to be in the text book.

It's important to be specific, i'm still not sure why you are trying to change a set understanding of the term.
Fine if we want to play it that way, you still miss it. The dictionary definition of romance is love that focuses more on emotion than on sexuality, so romantic love is love that holds the emotional side higher than the sexual side. I personally think that's a crap definition but there it is.
 
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Things are not as cut and dried as they appear to be in the text book.

So hundreds of studies, numerous doctorates, and intelectual disscussion hold nothing to your mighty power? Is it not more plausible that you mean something else? Perhaps Companionate, Liking, or Empty Love?

Fine if we want to play it that way, you still miss it. The dictionary definition of romance is love that focuses more on emotion than on sexuality, so romantic love is love that holds the emotional side higher than the sexual side. I personally think that's a crap definition but there it is.

No it does not, romance is defined as the actions and feelings of people who are in love. It is not a love. Romantic Love, as a term in itself, means love that is passionate and intimate. Passion being the sexual drive, where as intimacy is the feelings of closeness.
 
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So hundreds of studies, numerous doctorates, and intelectual disscussion hold nothing to your mighty power? Is it not more plausible that you mean something else? Perhaps Companionate, Liking, or Empty Love?
Show me these studies on romantic love.

No it does not, romance is defined as the actions and feelings of people who are in love. It is not a love. Romantic Love, as a term in itself, means love that is passionate and intimate. Passion being the sexual drive, where as intimacy is the feelings of closeness.
You are attempting to sidetrack the discussion to hide the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Show me these studies on romantic love.

I think you misunderstand my point. The reason the text books say this is because of the years of research, studies, and pondering.

You are attempting to sidetrack the discussion to hide the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Are we not discussing the definition of the term Romantic Love?
 
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