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You are right. Plants couldn't have existed for eons before the sun. They couldn't have existed for a day before the sun either. The answer is simple. Genesis 1 is a creation myth. There was no life of any kind in the solar system before the sun which was around for a billion years or so before life of any kind either appeared, arrived or was created on earth. The story of creation was framed in terms that the people it was intended to instruct could understand.jobob said:
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As one of the early chruch fathers, and a moving force behind the councils that decided which books would be included in the bible, would you think that you should pay attention to Augustine's argument?
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Hmm. The last time I looked a circle was a 2 dimensional object, i.e. flat.jobob said:
How about Psalms 136:6?
To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.
How is a sphere stretched out above the waters? How is the earth stretched out above waters?
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Yes the Hebrews thougth the earth was shaped like a disk. You know round and flat.jobob said:
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Frumious Bandersnatch said:
I don't think they had the word 'sphere' back in those times. Couldn't round suffice?
And the book of Psalms is not meant to be taken literally, Psalms is full of poetic literature.
What about Job Job 26 : 7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. That's pretty impressive....
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And I have an idea... when God created the Earth ... HE may of been the light himself.
2 Thessalonians 2 : 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
I know this passage has nothing to do with the creation, but it does seem to imply that when God is present He is Bright. Something to think about.
2 Thessalonians 2 : 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
I know this passage has nothing to do with the creation, but it does seem to imply that when God is present He is Bright. Something to think about.
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Also Jesus is symbolized as being the bright and morning star in Revelation 22 : 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And Jesus did create the world you know so... that's my theory.
And Jesus did create the world you know so... that's my theory.
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I would think "ball like object" would work much better than "circle" yet they did choose to use circle instead of ball. The idea that circle = round, round = sphere thus circle = sphere is a bit flawed dont you think? Especially when you start to look up words.
Not that impressive, the hebrew version of the earth had the flat disk of the earth not resting on anything. (oh, except when it was resting on pillars )
Not that impressive, the hebrew version of the earth had the flat disk of the earth not resting on anything. (oh, except when it was resting on pillars
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Arikay said:I would think "ball like object" would work much better than "circle" yet they did choose to use circle instead of ball. The idea that circle = round, round = sphere thus circle = sphere is a bit flawed dont you think? Especially when you start to look up words.
Not that impressive, the hebrew version of the earth had the flat disk of the earth not resting on anything. (oh, except when it was resting on pillars
I like you Arikay.... your a cool dude. Let's take a look:Isaiah 40 : 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
Now let's try ball like object... It is he that sitteth upon the ball like object of the earth.
Circle works better.....
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You left out the rest of the verse.Skillz151 said:
Isaiah 40 : 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
Now let's try ball like object... It is he that sitteth upon the ball like object of the earth.
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Seems to me you usually spread a tent over a flat surface. Now are you telling us that the Hebrews knew the earth was spherical but didn't even have a word for sphere?
How do you stretch a spherical earth over the waters below?
What is the firmament that separates the waters above from the waters below?
But isn't God everywhere? How does His light create morning and evening? If God was giving off a great light then why don't we? After all it says he created man in his image. Or is this just one more in a long list of passages in the "literally" true Bible that is not really meant to be taken literally after all and must be interpreted?
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Arikay said:Maybe you need a better dictionary.
yeah.....Im sure the Hebs were using a Websters
YOu folks obviously havent even looked into the whole translation/rendering problems that exist with ancient languages.....
Those folks do the best they can an somtimes with no point of reference...
If you had studied all that out enough, I doubt wed be having this silly conversation
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Frumious Bandersnatch said:Yes the Hebrews thougth the earth was shaped like a disk. You know round and flat.
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yeah......i know it the hebrew word was RENDERED as ''circle''........thats really ALL i know.........I personally have NO idea of the intent of the original writer.........sadly.....neither do you
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I gave the REV. passage where this light situation can easily be shown as not an issue at allSkillz151 said:
Theyre not interested in that......only proving that we do can trust the bible...
THAT is really all this comes down to ... nothing more.
Just as soon as we have conceded this arguement, it will move onto the next..
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Skillz151 said:
Isaiah 40 : 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
Now let's try ball like object... It is he that sitteth upon the ball like object of the earth.
just like we might do the very same today in english..
Im going to choose the word that gets the point across and is most gramatically correct.
I dont imagine these folks would have permitted Moses or anyone that luxury...
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Yeah they really screwed up when writing their perfectly inspired book didn't they. (since they chose to use a word that didn't get the point accross)
(since they chose to use a word that didn't get the point accross) jobob said:
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