If you cannot believe the genesis account....

[JohnR7]

If none of these are acceptable (the first would be the only acceptable one when reading the bible literally), then the question still remains as to why snakes can't talk.

It is to bad you can not figure it out. I guess the Bible is just to difficult for you.

Luke 18:17
Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

 

[Arikay]

John, Did you even bother to read the thread? I would guess not.

 

[jobob]

Come on jobob, if you don't want to back up your claims don't make them on a DEBATE board.

the frumious Bandersnatch

and if you all dont want to accept the evidence that an animal spoke elsewhere in the bible thru supernatural means, showing that the snake could have too, then DONT ask the question.....

 

[jobob]

It is to bad you can not figure it out. I guess the Bible is just to difficult for you.

Luke 18:17
Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

Amen John......its obvious the bible is true and they cant understand even the simplest concept contained in it.

Im very seriously considering becoming a follower of Calvins teachings.

 

[Arikay]

"and if you all dont want to accept the evidence that an animal spoke elsewhere in the bible thru supernatural means, showing that the snake could have too, then DONT ask the question....."

Could, but you claim it does, thus we need more evidence than "Could."
The funny part is that you seem to be unwilling to accept "could" when we say it.

Anyways, getting back to fun stuff like 24 hour day apologetics and the fundementalist fight to show that if you accept science the bible is false.

and if you all dont want to accept the evidence that an animal spoke elsewhere in the bible thru supernatural means, showing that the snake could have too, then DONT ask the question.....

 

[jobob]

I agree. However its not exactly a literal interpretation of the scripture. If we are allowed to claim that the snake was satan

WHO said it was satan....... look at the donkey thing again.
an animal speaking thru supernatural means......simple enough.

then we must also accept that satan physically slithers on the ground and eats dirt. If we are allowed to claim that satan was in control of the snake,

not at all.....like the donkey, satan finishes using him and leaves.
God cursed the ground over Adams sin, why not the snake over Satans sin?

then we are also allowed to add whatever we want to the scripture.
If we treat it all as symbolic, then we can treat a 24 hour day as symbolic as well.

Which is exactly where youre obviously trying to lead our assumptions.
Your beating a dead horse friend......Ive studied it and am quite happy that the snake spoke thru satanic influence.

If none of these are acceptable (the first would be the only acceptable one when reading the bible literally), then the question still remains as to why snakes can't talk.

They cant.....only thru the influence of a powerful being like God or satan or an angel.....

 

[jobob]

Anyways, getting back to fun stuff like 24 hour day apologetics and the fundementalist fight to show that if you accept science the bible is false.

I accept that your science interprets evidence to fit their theory, just as I do to fit mine.

 

[JohnR7]

Amen John......its obvious the bible is true and they cant understand even the simplest concept contained in it.

They can not understand simple concepts because they are trying to make it difficult. It seems that the more educated you become, the more difficult it is for people to understand the Bible.

 

[Arikay]

Ok, for the final time. Please provide direct scriptural evidence that the snake was speaking through supernatural means. I don't mean find an example where another animals is speaking through supernatural means, I mean direct scripture that says the snake is speaking through supernatural means. If you can't show us this, please admit that your claim is not based on literal scripture and move on, or just move on, I think I have shown my point well enough.

 

[jobob]

Ok, for the final time. Please provide direct scriptural evidence that the snake was speaking through supernatural means.

I told you, just as soon as you have provided absolute PROOF that monkeys are my distant cousins......fair enough trade

I don't mean find an example where another animals is speaking through supernatural means, I mean direct scripture that says the snake is speaking through supernatural means.

yep.... same as me... ignore the ''evidence''

If you can't show us this, please admit that your claim is not based on literal scripture and move on, or just move on, I think I have shown my point well enough.

it is literal.......... just like the REAL donkey, a REAL snake spoke thru supernatural influence.

If I werent taking it literally, id say it was NOT a REAL snake speaking and it was NOT 24 hour days and it was NOT a global flood.

Youre gonna need to try harder to confound us arikay.......all youre doing friend is proving your blindness to scriptural understanding

 

[Arikay]

Nice attempt to dodge, but it still means that you haven't backedup your claim. You haven't provided scriptural evidence that specifically says the snake was using supernatural means. But since you will never admit it, maybe you should just move on.

I actually don't have to try very hard at all, I think its quite clear to many people here.

I told you, just as soon as you have provided absolute PROOF that monkeys are my distant cousins......fair enough trade


yep.... same as me... ignore the ''evidence''


it is literal.......... just like the REAL donkey, a REAL snake spoke thru supernatural influence.

If I werent taking it literally, id say it was NOT a REAL snake speaking and it was NOT 24 hour days and it was NOT a global flood.

Youre gonna need to try harder to confound us arikay.......all youre doing friend is proving your blindness to scriptural understanding

 

[JohnR7]

John, Did you even bother to read the thread? I would guess not.

I not only read the thread, I read between the lions, I mean between the lines.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I told you, just as soon as you have provided absolute PROOF that monkeys are my distant cousins......fair enough trade

So are you saying that if evolution can't be absolutely proven to be valid then the snake must have spoken through supernatural influence? What kind of logic is that? I suppose you think that if evolution can't be proven valid then the earth must have been created in 6 literal days a few thousand years ago. I think there are some old earth creationists who would disagree with you there.

Now the verses say that the serpent was more clever than any animal. They don't say that the serpent was controlled by Satan. But if the serpent was controlled by Satan as you claim then why did God punish the poor serpent? Was God too stupid to figure out that it wasn't the serpent's fault? After all the Devil made him do it? Could God have expected a mere animal to resist being controlled by Satan? God cursing the snake over Satan's sin seems a bit unfair. Also it sure reads to me like God is speaking directly to the serpent and not some supernatural entity that was controlling the serpent.

Could it be that the whole thing is symbolic about the relationship between God and man and meant to convey a spiritual lesson rather than to be taken as exactly, literally true?

the frumious Bandersnatch

 

[JohnR7]

I think its quite clear to many people here.

It is not the many we are worried about. The many are going to perish, it is the few who are choosen by God. As Jesus said, there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. [14] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 20:16
So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen."

 

[jobob]

Nice attempt to dodge, but it still means that you haven't backedup your claim.

Theres a LOT of things you and I BOTH beleive that arent spelled out in dumb hillbilly language.... they have to be studied to grasp fully.

It ANY other piece of literature you could piece this whole thing together in a heartbeart........Ive seen your posts and KNOW youre very intelligent.

You haven't provided scriptural evidence that specifically says the snake was using supernatural means.

There is NONE......thats WHY we study, just like you do evol. to fit all the pieces together so we see the BIG picture.

But since you will never admit it, maybe you should just move on.

Admit that there is NO single verse asking what you want, there is none......... what does that prove.....not a thing except that i need to study to see some things.

I actually don't have to try very hard at all, I think its quite clear to many people here.

Im sure it is arikay.....very clear to all, especially those who have never picked that book up once to study it sincerely...

 

[jobob]

But if the serpent was controlled by Satan as you claim then why did God punish the poor serpent?...

...God cursing the snake over Satan's sin seems a bit unfair...

Its apparent youre just ignoring whats being said here now.

God cursed the GROUND over Adams sin........ WHY did God punish the poor ground?

Now the verses say that the serpent was more clever than any animal. They don't say that the serpent was controlled by Satan

but we do have an strong piece of ''evidence'' in Revelation;

And he seized the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, he who deceives the whole world, and he bound him for a thousand years;
(Rev 20:2)

Funny.......when we're talking monkey-men you guys are ALL about ''evidence"

Could it be that the whole thing is symbolic about the relationship between God and man and meant to convey a spiritual lesson rather than to be taken as exactly, literally true?

could be that Jesus was fictional too, but the scriptural evidence says He wasnt...

 

[jobob]

sorry........storm is killing me here

 

[JohnR7]

God cursed the GROUND over Adams sin........ WHY did God punish the poor ground?

I see a question mark, do you really want a answer? When Adam and Eve fell, all of creation fell with them.

Romans 8:21-22
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

 

[The Bellman]

I accept that your science interprets evidence to fit their theory, just as I do to fit mine.

No, science modifies theories to suit evidence. You ignore evidence that disagrees with your belief (as you have freely admitted).

 

[jobob]

I see a question mark, do you really want a answer? When Adam and Eve fell, all of creation fell with them.

Romans 8:21-22
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

amen john..