If you cannot believe the genesis account....

[gluadys]

The only thing I care about is whether the Bible ever says, "Disregard Genesis 1-3, they are a myth!".If it doesn't say that (and it doesn't) then I believe them.

I don't think you will find a non-literalist who believes the bible does say that. What we believe would be better summed up as "Genesis 1-3 (and lots more of the bible) is myth. Pay close attention to it. It's very important myth."


Why do literalists commonly believe that myth ought to be disregarded? Don't you think a myth given to us by God deserves to be studied carefully?

 

[Follower of Christ]

I don't think you will find a non-literalist who believes the bible does say that. What we believe would be better summed up as "Genesis 1-3 (and lots more of the bible) is myth. Pay close attention to it. It's very important myth."


Why do literalists commonly believe that myth ought to be disregarded? Don't you think a myth given to us by God deserves to be studied carefully?

well, personally speaking, I dont like to waste time reading fiction....

YOu know.....the evidence would dictate that virgin birth is also ''myth''
What do you feel about that ?

 

[The_G_Tornado]

So the Parables are literal truth?

 

[Follower of Christ]

So the Parables are literal truth?

hmmm.........nice try.....but didnt didnt Jesus ADMIT to teaching in parables ???

Im sure He did

Now if you can just show me where Genesis 1 is ADMITTED to being a parable IN scripture we'll do lunch and talk about it

 

[JohnR7]

didnt didnt Jesus ADMIT to teaching in parables ???

When He tought in parables He did not use real names.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

hmmm.........nice try.....but didnt didnt Jesus ADMIT to teaching in parables ???

Im sure He did

Now if you can just show me where Genesis 1 is ADMITTED to being a parable IN scripture we'll do lunch and talk about it

Nice dodge. The point is that you said that reading fiction is a waste of your time. Jesus 'admitting' that His parables were just that does not make them any less fictional. So they are still a waste of time, by your logic.

So, again, why does the concept that Genesis 1 is non literal mean it is dismissed?

 

[artybloke]

When He tought in parables He did not use real names.

Lazarus and Dives aren't real names? And when did Adam (literally, Hearth, I believe) and Eve become Christian names? After or before they were used in the Bible?

 

[artybloke]

well, personally speaking, I dont like to waste time reading fiction....

YOu know.....the evidence would dictate that virgin birth is also ''myth''
What do you feel about that ?

Do you also not "waste time" dancing or going to the pictures? What a sad, dour life you must lead.

As for the evidence that the virgin birth is a myth... well, it wouldn't bother me one way or the other. I'm quite happy to believe it because it's in the creed, but if it didn't happen I don't think it affects anything. God could still be in Jesus anyway.

 

[the_cloaked_crusader]

I don't think you will find a non-literalist who believes the bible does say that. What we believe would be better summed up as "Genesis 1-3 (and lots more of the bible) is myth. Pay close attention to it. It's very important myth."

Why is it so important if it isn't true?

So the Parables are literal truth?

The literal ruth is that Jesus spoke them to make a point. He made it quite obvious that they were made up stories, meant to teach a lesson. When God wrote Genesis, he did not make it clear that it was a parable.

Artybloke--If you don't mind my asking, what do you believe?

You guys really need Arikay, don't you?

best of regards
the_cloaked_crusader

 

[Nathan David]

10 years ago we'd not be having these discussions. 10 years ago the Bible was the source. 10 years ago, each book was what it said it was. 10 years ago, people from varying backgrounds rarely had these discussions, except maybe late night in some bars.

And at theological seminaries and universities all over the country. 15 years ago I was in college. My roommate was a religious studies minor and I read a lot of his books. Serious Christian scholars have been saying Genesis is not meant to be taken literally for a lot more than 10 years.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Nice dodge. The point is that you said that reading fiction is a waste of your time. Jesus 'admitting' that His parables were just that does not make them any less fictional. So they are still a waste of time, by your logic.

So, again, why does the concept that Genesis 1 is non literal mean it is dismissed?

Man........YOUR logic there is quote the little mess...

this should clear it up for you.


GENESIS IS LITERAL THEREFORE NOT FICTION

there.......understand my view now

 

[Follower of Christ]

Do you also not "waste time" dancing or going to the pictures? What a sad, dour life you must lead.

As for the evidence that the virgin birth is a myth... well, it wouldn't bother me one way or the other. I'm quite happy to believe it because it's in the creed, but if it didn't happen I don't think it affects anything. God could still be in Jesus anyway.

YOu folks take stuff and REALLY add to it, dont ya

Go back and READ what I said before you post please

I said ''READ''.......... READ fiction......

get it now???

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Man........YOUR logic there is quote the little mess...

this should clear it up for you.


GENESIS IS LITERAL THEREFORE NOT FICTION

there.......understand my view now

I understand your view perfectly well.

What I am pointing out to you is the illogicality of saying that you don't waste time with fiction, and yet accept that truth can be communicated through parables. Pointing out that Jesus said they were parables makes absolutely no difference to the concept that a fictional story can convey truth. That's all this is about.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Why is it so important if it isn't true?

The literal ruth is that Jesus spoke them to make a point. He made it quite obvious that they were made up stories, meant to teach a lesson. When God wrote Genesis, he did not make it clear that it was a parable.

Artybloke--If you don't mind my asking, what do you believe?

You guys really need Arikay, don't you?

best of regards
the_cloaked_crusader

And as a matter of fact, the text goes to lengths to SHOW it is emphasising a literal day...
Anyone who would study the Hebrew wording would see it immediately.....

But even in the english, the evidence that its a literal day is apparent....

 

[Follower of Christ]

I understand your view perfectly well.

What I am pointing out to you is the illogicality of saying that you don't waste time with fiction, and yet accept that truth can be communicated through parables. Pointing out that Jesus said they were parables makes absolutely no difference to the concept that a fictional story can convey truth. That's all this is about.

just as someone else said......I accept that Jesus TAUGHT the parables for a point.......I dont take the stories IN the parables as actually having happened
I read them becuase Jesus DID teach them.......THAT is not fiction

and you really are hanging on a point to much..
I HAVe read fiction.....I just do not like to waste my time with it

YOure going to have to try MUCH harder than this friend

 

[Mistermystery]

Please to be supporting said claim with said evidence that the earth was made in 6 days.

 

[Follower of Christ]

Please to be supporting said claim with said evidence that the earth was made in 6 days.

heck, i can give it to you in detail

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and empty. And darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light. And there was light. And God saw the light that it was good. And God divided between the light and the darkness. And God called the light, Day. And He called the darkness, Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be an expanse in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the expanse, and divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. And God called the expanse, Heavens. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear; and it was so. And God called the dry land, Earth. And He called the gathering together of the waters, Seas. And God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth tender sprouts (the herb seeding seed and the fruit tree producing fruit after its kind, whose seed is in itself) upon the earth; and it was so. And the earth brought forth tender sprouts, the herb yielding seed after its kind, and the tree producing fruit after its kind, whose seed was in itself. And God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to divide between the day and the night. And let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. And let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth. And it was so. And God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the smaller light to rule the night, and the stars also. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night; and to divide between the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarmers having a living soul; and let birds fly over the earth on the face of the expanse of the heavens. And God created great sea-animals, and every living soul that creeps with which the waters swarmed after their kind; and every winged fowl after its kind. And God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters of the seas and let the fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle, and creepers, and its beasts of the earth after its kind; and it was so. And God made the beasts of the earth after its kind, and cattle after their kind, and all creepers upon the earth after their kind. And God saw that it was good. And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female. And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. And have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heavens, and all animals that move upon the earth. And God said, Behold! I have given you every herb seeding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree seeding seed; to you it shall be for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every creeper on the earth which has in it a living soul every green plant is for food; and it was so. And God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

(Gen 1:1-31)

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

just as someone else said......I accept that Jesus TAUGHT the parables for a point.......I dont take the stories IN the parables as actually having happened
I read them becuase Jesus DID teach them.......THAT is not fiction

and you really are hanging on a point to much..
I HAVe read fiction.....I just do not like to waste my time with it

YOure going to have to try MUCH harder than this friend

OK. We've established that a fictional story such as a parable can contain truth.

You must see, therefore, why considering the Genesis 1 story to be non-literal does NOT mean that it is being rejected outright? That is all this exchange is about.

One thing at a time. Whether Genesis 1 is literal or not is a seperate question from whether it can be considered true if it is.

 

[Follower of Christ]

OK. We've established that a fictional story such as a parable can contain truth.

You must see, therefore, why considering the Genesis 1 story to be non-literal does NOT mean that it is being rejected outright? That is all this exchange is about.

One thing at a time. Whether Genesis 1 is literal or not is a seperate question from whether it can be considered true if it is.

whew......Ive noticed if youre not responded to directly, you just dont get it....

My views are all over this board....

I do NOT hold Genesis 1 as anything but factual.....
The Hebrew language went to great lengths to show it was a literal day....

Nothing you can present in this will change my point of view, you are wasting you time and your fingers attempting to do so...

If I have to keep repeating this, I think I will find that ''ignore'' button

 

[Mistermystery]

heck, i can give it to you in detail

Can you also try instead of mindlessly copy-paste it, to find a non-scriptual source? Because that's hardly evidence.