If You Believe in White Privilege

[Ana the Ist]

That's right so they night as well be honest with themselves and the candidates and say "You know you guys match up pretty well against each other. Your sales records are just about even and you both have perfect attendance. Your both came in right out of college. It's a really tough choice but I think we're gonna go with the white guy/" "THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT HIM I LIKE." Yeah I relate to him better because we are both white males. We always have to listen to these Liberal flower pickers talk about "white privilege" like that even exists! We're both victims of this new reverse racism so you have to look out for each other because affirmative action is taking all our jobs away>>>>>>Exaggeration for dramatic effect not written to infer actual conversation<<<<<

Even if we were talking about two people of the same race....there's simply no such thing.

 

[jardiniere]

Why do so many white people deny the existence of white privilege?

Small excerpt

Instead of knowledge and acceptance of white privilege, many white people display ignorance: What is this privilege of which you speak? I do not detect a hint of it. Perhaps you are being lifted by a race-based privilege because surely it is not I.

Such ignorance becomes a tool of racial domination. By denying the unfairness, white folk never have to confront it.

Charles Mills, in his book The Racial Contract, argues that this ignorance produces “the ironic outcome that whites will in general be unable to understand the world they themselves have made.”

 

[super animator]

Gee, people displaying ignorance on a term that proponents keep using without defining it. RACIAL DOMINATION!!!!!!!

 

[MartyF]

I would say about negative twenty percent. I’d have 20% more wealth if I had black skin.

Marty

 

[rturner76]

Gee, people displaying ignorance on a term that proponents keep using without defining it. RACIAL DOMINATION!!!!!!!

If you read my responses in this thread you will not only see t defned, but see multiple exampes of how it is applied. You may have chosen to ascribe your own definition to it and likely refuse to accept reality because it challenges your world view. You would no longer be able to assume the role of the victim and would be challenged to examine the way you instinctually react when you are faced with deciding between a person of another race and a person of your own race when making choices likw who to hire and where to spend your money, where you want to live, and who you give the benefit of the doubt to.

 

[rturner76]

I would say about negative twenty percent. I’d have 20% more wealth if I had black skin.

Marty

I'd be curious to know how that would be considering white males are paid higher wages for doing the same jobs as minorities and women. This applies in all fields. Even when they have the same level of experience, education, and similar performance reviews. Can you explain how a black person would be making more money when this is the case?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ge-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/

 

[MartyF]

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I'd be curious to know how that would be considering white males are paid higher wages for doing the same jobs as minorities and women. This applies in all fields. Even when they have the same level of experience, education, and similar performance reviews. Can you explain how a black person would be making more money when this is the case?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ge-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/

I know about my own situation - not everyone else's.

The article you quote has no bearing on this topic.

Marty

 

[super animator]

You may have chosen to ascribe your own definition to it and likely refuse to accept reality because it challenges your world view. You would no longer be able to assume the role of the victim and would be challenged to examine the way you instinctually react when you are faced with deciding between a person of another race and a person of your own race when making choices likw who to hire and where to spend your money, where you want to live, and who you give the benefit of the doubt to.

Wow, can you mind read even harder? Pretty sure I made it in a response to post #222

 

[rturner76]

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I know about my own situation - not everyone else's.

The article you quote has no bearing on this topic.

Marty

Since, you haven't shared your circumstances nobody else can know if what you say is true or merely a slanted interpretation of unrelated events.

While the article I cited may have no bearing on your personal situation, the fact that you believe income disparity has no place in a discussion about White Privilege only proves that you are not qualified to talk about the subject as you have no grasp of the fundamental principle.

Some people have taken the term White Privilege, ascribed their own personal definition to it, what it means to them or what they think it means. Then they take that false definition and dismiss it. They are right to dismiss their false definition, however they do not take the timeto learn the real meaning and we end up with people in outright denial as you see here and throughoutvthis thread.

 

[rturner76]

Wow, can you mind read even harder? Pretty sure I made it in a response to post #222

I sincerely apologise for taking your statement out of context. It tells me I should probably bow out of this discussion. I have been defending my opinion to such a degree that it would seem any statement that is not supporting my views, no matter the context, I am unloading into with both barrels

 

[MartyF]

you are not qualified to talk about the subject as you have no grasp of the fundamental principle.

Such an attitude is the basis for the slavery of others and tyranny.

 

[super animator]

I sincerely apologise for taking your statement out of context. It tells me I should probably bow out of this discussion. I have been defending my opinion to such a degree that it would seem any statement that is not supporting my views, no matter the context, I am unloading into with both barrels

Judge slowly next time.

 

[rturner76]

Such an attitude is the basis for the slavery of others and tyranny.

Did I say you shouldn't be allowed to speak? No. You have mistaken me telling you that you don't know what you're talking about with me telling you you shouldn't be allowed to speak. Another example of why your opinion is only relevant if you know what you are talking about. You see if you had replied to what I actually said, your reply (above) would have been relevant. Instead it means nothing (other than proving why we should not talk about matter in which we have no understanding).

 

[MartyF]

Did I say you shouldn't be allowed to speak? No. You have mistaken me telling you that you don't know what you're talking about with me telling you you shouldn't be allowed to speak. Another example of why your opinion is only relevant if you know what you are talking about. You see if you had replied to what I actually said, your reply (above) would have been relevant. Instead it means nothing (other than proving why we should not talk about matter in which we have no understanding).

I didn't say your statement was slavery. I said it was the basis for slavery. The idea that the opinions of some are by nature better than others especially when it comes to political matters is the basis for preventing others from participating. It is what one uses to justify such things as preventing non-communist members from voting.

Not everyone who disagrees with you has an irrelevant opinion and doesn't know what they are talking about. They may simply have a different background than you do. Dehumanizing those whose are different from you is a first step in treating them as slaves.

Only #22 answered the question the OP asked. The rest have answered only in general overall terms such as your article.

I'm not arguing that white people don't earn more overall than black people. Or that Asian people don't earn more overall than white people. I agree with the article about these things. However, the question was about me in particular.

Marty

 

[rturner76]

I didn't say your statement was slavery. I said it was the basis for slavery. The idea that the opinions of some are by nature better than others especially when it comes to political matters is the basis for preventing others from participating. It is what one uses to justify such things as preventing non-communist members from voting.

There is more than one way to interpret the word "opinion." I'll use the voting example......Two people may have different opinions and vote different ways based on personal morals and values etc. Then there is an informed opinion. For example, I have never taken a college math class yet I may have an opinion about an advanced physics equation, like weather it is relevant or solvable. It would be my right to have that opinion yet, amI qualified to have an opinion if I have not even taken college level math? Now someone with a PhD in physics would be qualified to have an opinion about the equation.

Similarly, if someone has in their mind a definition of the phrase "white privilege." .that is incorrect, their opinion about the subject has now become irrelevant because they are starting from a flawed premise. They are "not qualified" to talk about a subject for which they do not know the defenition and refuse to learn.

The OP's question alredy begins with a false premise about what white privilege actually is. So we need to first establish the definition before opinions can be truly fruitful.

In terms of your responses. I looked back and I see where you said

I know about my own situation - not everyone else's.

The article you quote has no bearing on this topic.

This is where I mistakenly thought we were still attempting to establish the definition of "white privilege" You were answering the OP's question which was an individual one I now understand.

I apologise for misunderstanding your response by basically assuming you were a part of my semi-off topic debate with the other poster. I need to change gears whenever I am addressing a different person and look at exactly what that person is saying in it's own light. Again I apologise. This has been a learning experience for me about one to one communication in the context of a group forum.

I thank you for your patience and your opinion.

 

[LoAmmi]

I didn't say your statement was slavery. I said it was the basis for slavery. The idea that the opinions of some are by nature better than others especially when it comes to political matters is the basis for preventing others from participating. It is what one uses to justify such things as preventing non-communist members from voting.

Some opinions are better than others.