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I agree with you, and that's not what was said. You've misquoted the person whose opinions you are trying to change. I found their post to be quite good. Who is responsible is not the focus, rather, the false conversion is the focus. Let's be fair and stay on target to the opening post.
Sure. We will be on other threads though.We need more cooperative people like yourself.
And I will fail, you're right. But we can practice and get better....that is my aim.
Not here to argue, just to present a teaching that you, along with the majority church view doesn't understand (my signature line). I hope you can read a whole page, without bias, just because it is from me.
Especially since you expected people to read a pretty lengthy autobiography with your first post.
Thank you! I didn't do a very good job, but my point was to expose the idea that our salvation is directly linked to liquid water. If we honestly look at our lives and the quality thereof, I think that we can each make a logical conclusion on the subject.
Right. Jesus came with a new baptism, the one in which Paul refers to when he says "there is one baptism....", which is being immersed, or completely engulfed by and in the Holy Spirit, our Almighty, Powerful Creator of this Universe. This baptism can take place anywhere, any time and even when by yourself. And when Paul said that he "didn't come to baptize", he was referring to water baptism.
Not here to argue, just to present a teaching that you, along with the majority church view doesn't understand (my signature line). I hope you can read a whole page, without bias, just because it is from me.
EPH 4:5 One baptism
EPH 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.
Remember taking those tests in school where you were supposed to pick out the one thing that didn't fit in a listing of four things? Example: What word doesn't fit in the following list? Rose, lily, carnation, rock. Got the answer? It's rock of course. Now let’s see if that same logic actually applies to the 'one baptism' verse of Eph 4:5. A list that is telling us what “hope of our calling” is.....It is to our ‘call to God’.
EPH 4:5,6 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father…
"One Lord"...is that speaking of you or Jesus?
"one faith"...is that faith in you or faith in Jesus?
"one God and Father”...is that like when Isa 9:6 said Jesus' name was "mighty God, Everlasting Father or is it talking about you as a god and father?
Now, we only have one other thing left in that list, and it is the "one baptism". So, the question is: Is this 'a baptism' that pertains to you...or to Jesus?
Scripturally speaking, there is more than ‘one baptism’ that pertains to the “fundamental” teachings of ‘YOU as a Christian’. if you're going to 'go on' to maturity.
HEB 6:1-2 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
So, if scripture itself says there are multiple “baptisms” pertaining to the doctrines concerning our 'foundational faith' then what “one baptism” might scripture be speaking of, as we read Eph. 4:5?
LUK 12:50 But I/Jesus have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
The baptism spoken of here isn’t with water or the Holy Spirit because Jesus had already had those two baptisms. The baptism spoken of here is the baptism of the death which Jesus still had ahead of Him, on the cross.
ROM 6:3-5 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
This verse above speaks of the only baptism in Luke 12 which Jesus still had not received. And scripture says we identify with Jesus in this baptism of death when we participate in “one” of those ‘foundational baptisms’ (PLURAL) in Hebrews 6. Baptisms which scripture says we should experience in laying down the very foundation of our faith’ before we can go on to maturity. And Ephesians is the only baptism necessary for us to ALL believe in concerning the “hope” of our “call” in Christ. It is the only baptism (“one baptism”) we must cling to, which will determine whether we maintain “the unity of the Spirit” or not. And in the context ‘the unity of the Spirit’ is what Eph 4: is talking about. It is not referencing the ‘unity of the Church’ which is an application that even Paul refutes concerning the 'one water baptism' of nominal church belief.
1CO 1:12-17: …13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you,…
In fact it's the opposite for many people. The devil comes at you stronger after baptism, and you go through more spiritual attacks so backsliding into sin is fairly common after baptism.
