If U.S. creationists truly believe evolution is a religion, why don't they sue over it?

[Subduction Zone]

Wait until God shows you the secular science that shows the entire Universe came into existence AS IS in 6 literal days! I already found it. Then you'll be a young-earth Creationist like I am.

No, you have not. You are seriously mistaken. Please note that even though that you are obviously and terribly wrong that I did not clam that you lied.

Here's what you gotta ask to find the science about how the Universe was created in 6-literal days:

I have a feeling that you are not gong to support your claims and instead only demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of the burden of proof.

1) Where does light come from
2) What's at the core of stars
3) What is the Universal Ocean?
4) Where was God's Spirit when He said "Let there be light"?
5) What is "water splitting" using light? What is "sonal luminescence"?
6) When Water is split with light in a vacuum, what are the byproducts?

I was right A series of questions that you cannot answer does not prove anything. You forgot that your God almost certainly does not exist. If you want to claim that your God exists the burden of proof is upon you. You can state that you believe, I won't deny that. But your person belief proves nothing.

Have you ever thought of trying to lean how scientists know, not believe but know, that you are wrong?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have already shown how the idea of YEC is OLDER than the 100 years you claimed.

Have you? I only saw you make an unsupported claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God says this to you: "A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." (Matthew 16:4).

So I will only give you my Testimony of Jesus' Resurrection.

I prayed to Jesus Christ, confessing my sins, and asking Him to come into my heart. He immediately responded by filling me with His Holy Spirit, which came down from Heaven above.

Now for me, this is MY Proof. It's the Proof I received from God. But for you, it's only a Testimony.... another piece of Evidence. And this is all the evidence you will get from me. I will not cast my pearls before swine.

No, he does not "say" that. You are quoting the Bible. A work of man. If you want to claim that it is more then once again the burden of proof lies upon you. You forgot that Jonah was a mythical being in the Bible too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you give me an example of each? including your "other literary techniques"?

And for the record, His parables were real events.

Sorry AV, if you want to claim that his parables were real events you put the burden of proof upon yourself. Do you remember how he said that he puts his teaching in the form of parables so that some would not understand them? Think about that. Seriously.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

What I call ignorance is posing the question "what existed before the Big Bang."

Do you consider it ignorant of me to ask a question, the answer to which you do not know, but I do?

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

No, he does not "say" that. You are quoting the Bible. A work of man. If you want to claim that it is more then once again the burden of proof lies upon you. You forgot that Jonah was a mythical being in the Bible too.

I am quoting God in Jesus Christ. The Scriptures say the same. Jonah did not live in a Book. Neither does Jesus Christ. Neither does God. He lives in many people, of which I am one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry AV, if you want to claim that his parables were real events you put the burden of proof upon yourself.

Back on you.

Did this happen or not?

Numbers 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.

Any child can answer this.

So if it happened, why is it being called a parable?

 

[frogoon234]

No, faith is simply not allowed in the sciences. That is one reason that one sees such phrases as "appears to" "support the" , "is confirmed by" and other phrases that do not come right out and say that an idea is absolutely true. And why bring up abortion? Not even the Bible is clear on that. There are cases where the Bible is pro-abortion.

Some people believe abortion is murder is the reason why i brought up abortion. In the old testament unborn babys are treated as fruits of the womb. When these fruits died due to foul play the punishment wasn't death but there were severe consequences. This is a christian forum in case you didn't realize that so you should expect to hear Bible scripture. Exodus chapter 21.

As far as faith and science is concerned. 1 + 1 = 2 is 100% true but when you get into certain scientific principles they might have 99% probability of being true or they might have a 5% probability of being true. Science can be very complicated. New ideas on old notions pop up all the time.

 

[usexpat97]

Wait until God shows you the secular science that shows the entire Universe came into existence AS IS in 6 literal days! I already found it. Then you'll be a young-earth Creationist like I am.

Here's what you gotta ask to find the science about how the Universe was created in 6-literal days:

1) Where does light come from
2) What's at the core of stars
3) What is the Universal Ocean?
4) Where was God's Spirit when He said "Let there be light"?
5) What is "water splitting" using light? What is "sonal luminescence"?
6) When Water is split with light in a vacuum, what are the byproducts?

I have seen the false premise implied in this thread, though, that the opposite of young earth creationism is evolution. In actuality, neither could be true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am quoting God in Jesus Christ. The Scriptures say the same. Jonah did not live in a Book. Neither does Jesus Christ. Neither does God. He lives in many people, of which I am one.

No, you are quoting the Bible. That is not the same thing at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some people believe abortion is murder is the reason why i brought up abortion. In the old testament unborn babys are treated as fruits of the womb. When these fruits died due to foul play the punishment wasn't death but there were severe consequences. This is a christian forum in case you didn't realize that so you should expect to hear Bible scripture. Exodus chapter 21.

As far as faith and science is concerned. 1 + 1 = 2 is 100% true but when you get into certain scientific principles they might have 99% probability of being true or they might have a 5% probability of being true. Science can be very complicated. New ideas on old notions pop up all the time.

Of course it is a Christian forum, but this part is more about science. And abortion is allowed in the Old Testament when the wife cheats, but it is not her choice. I can see being anti-abortion, but the Bible does not support that belief very well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Back on you.

Did this happen or not?

Numbers 23:7 And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.

Any child can answer this.

So if it happened, why is it being called a parable?

It probably did not happen. Genesis and Exodus are not history.

 

[frogoon234]

Of course it is a Christian forum, but this part is more about science. And abortion is allowed in the Old Testament when the wife cheats, but it is not her choice. I can see being anti-abortion, but the Bible does not support that belief very well.

Where does it allow abortion for when a wife cheats? I know the criminal punishment for the accidental death for the fruits of the womb is not death. But please educate me about the "wife cheats" verse. You could use www.biblegateway.com to do a quick search. If i did this search my self, what words would i use to search for and which version of the English Bible would i use. Each word in a word search corresponds to a specific version of the english Bible because each english Bible decides to use a different words for different verses. I prefer to use the KJV just because it is "like" a lingua Franca for english speakers and as well those who seem to adhere to Biblical standards at some level.

 

[AV1611VET]

It probably did not happen. Genesis and Exodus are not history.

Missed the point, didn't you?

 

[pitabread]

And you do this because you are wicked and God is Holy and you do not WANT to face the Truth, so you convince yourself that He doesn't exist, but deep down, in your soul, you already KNOW that He does.

Ah yes, the ol' "you actually do believe in the Christian God, you just don't want to accept it" chestnut.

It must be unfathomable for some fundamentalists to know that there are people who legitimately do not believe in what they believe. But it's true. There are a lot of people who legitimately don't believe that the Christian God exists.

It's also fascinating to see the psychological manipulation fundamentalists engage in when making the above claims. All the more reason that I believe that if there really is a supernatural deity, they are not being represented by Christian fundamentalists.

 

[pitabread]

We'll let Jesus handle that when He comes back.

This seems to be all modern creationists have left: the hope for Armageddon.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where does it allow abortion for when a wife cheats? I know the criminal punishment for the accidental death for the fruits of the womb is not death. But please educate me about the "wife cheats" verse. You could use www.biblegateway.com to do a quick search. If i did this search my self, what words would i use to search for and which version of the English Bible would i use. Each word in a word search corresponds to a specific version of the english Bible because each english Bible decides to use a different words for different verses. I prefer to use the KJV just because it is "like" a lingua Franca for english speakers and as well those who seem to adhere to Biblical standards at some level.

They use euphemisms, but if you understand the "Test for an unfaithful wife" it is clear that an abortion occurs:

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5:11-29 - New International Version

 

[Subduction Zone]

Missed the point, didn't you?

No, I did not. You used a poor example, as you always do. You tried to use something that did not happen as "proof" that parables involve things that happened. You shot yourself in the foot again.

 

[AV1611VET]

This seems to be all modern creationists have left: the hope for Armageddon.

Actually it's the Rapture.

Referred to in the Bible as our "blessed hope."

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

 

[frogoon234]

They use euphemisms, but if you understand the "Test for an unfaithful wife" it is clear that an abortion occurs:

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5:11-29 - New International Version

Well you learn something new everyday. Thanks for educating me. I'll have to factor that in to my future opinions on abortion. What alot of people don't realize is when the Bible talks about special water in the Bible (some instances) they are talking about water mixed with something akin to Lye (which can be a strong chemical). In other words after studying this i might come to the conclusion the priest here is making a minor attempt with chemicals to kill this unborn baby. Wow! What a strange world we live in. Who says that non christians can't proclaim the word of God?