If U.S. creationists truly believe evolution is a religion, why don't they sue over it?

[Subduction Zone]

You call THAT ignorance??? What existed before the Big Bang? Now THAT'S what I call ignorance.

No, that is a silly question at best. We don't know what existed before the Big Bang. That has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. You don't know either. You may have a belief, but I am betting that you do not know the difference between knowing and believing.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

We don't know what existed before the Big Bang. You don't know either.

Now THAT'S what I call ignorance. To say "I don't know, and neither can you" is pure ignorance and foolishness. Your ignorance says "I don't know". Your foolishness says "Neither do you". If you don't know, how can you know that I don't know? You don't know yourself! LOL But I do know.... I know the One who was before Begginning. You do not know Him, but I do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Now THAT'S what I call ignorance. To say "I don't know, and neither can you" is pure ignorance and foolishness. Your ignorance says "I don't know". Your foolishness says "Neither do you". If you don't know, how can you know that I don't know? You don't know yourself! LOL But I do know.... I know the One who was before Begginning. You do not know Him, but I do.

No, it is a fact. You don't know. You don't have a clue. But then neither do I. It is worse than ignorance to claim that you know something when you clearly do not. Scientists found out a long time ago that honesty is the best policy. Lies and errors will be uncovered as time goes by.

Once again, you only have a belief. If you "knew" you could do more than to state your beliefs.

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith isn't directly applicable to science in that manner. Trying to say the Bible is a science textbook is very much misguided.

What does that have to do with what I asked?

I didn't even mention the Bible.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

No, it is a fact. You don't know. You don't have a clue. But then neither do I. It is worse than ignorance to claim that you know something when you clearly do not. Scientists found out a long time ago that honesty is the best policy. Lies and errors will be uncovered as time goes by.

Once again, you only have a belief. If you "knew" you could do more than to state your beliefs.

No. The only fact here is that you don't know what you're talking about. You aren't even correct to say "I don't know". Even that is a lie. The Truth is that you look around Nature, and you KNOW there is a God. But in your wickedness, you suppress the Knowledge of God by lying to yourself that He doesn't exist. And you do this because you are wicked and God is Holy and you do not WANT to face the Truth, so you convince yourself that He doesn't exist, but deep down, in your soul, you already KNOW that He does. And the Truth is, that I KNOW the God who existed before space,time, and matter were created because I am IN Him and He is IN me. He is NOT in you. But you still know He exists. I both know God, and I know you know God exists also.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong. Most of the early church leadership believed in a 6-day Creation and young earth:

Jesus is a creationist.

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Paul was a creationist.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Peter was a creationist.

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I'm convicted to be one too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. The only fact here is that you don't know what you're talking about. You aren't even correct to say "I don't know". Even that is a lie. The Truth is that you look around Nature, and you KNOW there is a God. But in your wickedness, you suppress the Knowledge of God by lying to yourself that He doesn't exist. And you do this because you are wicked and God is Holy and you do not WANT to face the Truth, so you convince yourself that He doesn't exist, but deep down, in your soul, you already KNOW that He does. And the Truth is, that I KNOW the God who existed before space,time, and matter were created because I am IN Him and He is IN me. He is NOT in you. But you still know He exists. I both know God, and I know you know God exists also.

Once again, if you knew you could do more than make errant claims. I have no need to lie here. Your claiming that someone lied is a violation of the TOS here. You could try to demonstrate that I am wrong, but I seriously doubt if you can. Nor am I "wicked", at least no more so that you are. That is another false claim.

But go ahead, let's see see some evidence that you "know". What you have posted so far supports my claim.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jesus is a creationist.

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Paul was a creationist.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Peter was a creationist.

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I'm convicted to be one too.

Jesus often used parable, metaphor, poetic license and other literary techniques. You should not insult him by calling him a creationist.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Jesus is a creationist.

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Paul was a creationist.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Peter was a creationist.

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I'm convicted to be one too.

Wait until God shows you the secular science that shows the entire Universe came into existence AS IS in 6 literal days! I already found it. Then you'll be a young-earth Creationist like I am.

Here's what you gotta ask to find the science about how the Universe was created in 6-literal days:

1) Where does light come from
2) What's at the core of stars
3) What is the Universal Ocean?
4) Where was God's Spirit when He said "Let there be light"?
5) What is "water splitting" using light? What is "sonal luminescence"?
6) When Water is split with light in a vacuum, what are the byproducts?

 

[AV1611VET]

Jesus often used parable, metaphor, poetic license and other literary techniques. You should not insult him by calling him a creationist.

Can you give me an example of each? including your "other literary techniques"?

And for the record, His parables were real events.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wait until God shows you the secular science that shows the entire Universe came into existence AS IS in 6 literal days! I already found it. Then you'll be a young-earth Creationist like I am.

I would love to be a YEC, but I'm convinced that God embedded age into His creation.

Something might be older than dirt, but it has only been in existence since 4004 BC.

 

[HTacianas]

Wrong. Most of the early church leadership believed in a 6-day Creation and young earth:

Early Church Fathers Believed in Young Earth Recent Creation

The Early Church Defended Creation Science

The Church fathers had nothing to compare it to. Circa 200 AD Origen disputed the idea of a literal six day creation based on the wording of Genesis.

There has never been a defined teaching on the age of the earth within Christianity.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's what you gotta ask to find the science about how the Universe was created in 6-literal days:

1) Where does light come from
2) What's at the core of stars
3) What is the Universal Ocean?
4) Where was God's Spirit when He said "Let there be light"?
5) What is "water splitting" using light? What is "sonal luminescence"?
6) When Water is split with light in a vacuum, what are the byproducts?

1. God is Light, but He spoke the electromagnetic spectrum into existence.
2. Seraphim?
3. Panthalassa
4. On the Earth
5. Don't know
6. Don't know

 

[AV1611VET]

There has never been a defined teaching on the age of the earth within Christianity.

It's as old as God willed it.

Personally, I don't care how old it is.

It has only been in existence since 4004 BC.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Once again, if you knew you could do more than make errant claims. I have no need to lie here. Your claiming that someone lied is a violation of the TOS here. You could try to demonstrate that I am wrong, but I seriously doubt if you can. Nor am I "wicked", at least no more so that you are. That is another false claim.

But go ahead, let's see see some evidence that you "know". What you have posted so far supports my claim.

God says this to you: "A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." (Matthew 16:4).

So I will only give you my Testimony of Jesus' Resurrection.

I prayed to Jesus Christ, confessing my sins, and asking Him to come into my heart. He immediately responded by filling me with His Holy Spirit, which came down from Heaven above.

Now for me, this is MY Proof. It's the Proof I received from God. But for you, it's only a Testimony.... another piece of Evidence. And this is all the evidence you will get from me. I will not cast my pearls before swine.

 

[HTacianas]

It's as old as God willed it.

Personally, I don't care how old it is.

It has only been in existence since 4004 BC.

I personally don't care how old the earth is either. It doesn't matter. But I lean towards some rabbinical commentaries that God created "worlds" before the world we know of today and then wiped them out and began again. Each world passed away as "drafts" prior to the creation of the world we know today. And those commentaries are much older than any modern scientific theories on the age of the earth.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

The Church fathers had nothing to compare it to. Circa 200 AD Origen disputed the idea of a literal six day creation based on the wording of Genesis.

There has never been a defined teaching on the age of the earth within Christianity.

I have already shown how the idea of YEC is OLDER than the 100 years you claimed.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

1. God is Light, but He spoke the electromagnetic spectrum into existence.
2. Seraphim?
3. Panthalassa
4. On the Earth
5. Don't know
6. Don't know

1) Yes and Amen
2) Stars are hydrogen atoms collapsing upon themselves under the weight of their own gravity
3) Not Panthalassa, bigger. The expanse of the waters were Universal, not just limited to earth.
4) No. God's spirit was not on earth. It was hovering over all the waters in the entire Universe
5 and 6) Water splitting with light. Sonal luminescence. Byproducts of splitting water. Google these.

 

[HTacianas]

I have already shown how the idea of YEC is OLDER than the 100 years you claimed.

The "idea of YEC" is older. That it is somehow an article of the Christian faith is not. That idea began with "The Fundamentals", a collection of protestant commentaries of the early 20th century originating from the Princeton Theological Seminary. That is the origin of the term "Fundamentalist".

 

[46AND2]

You call THAT ignorance??? What existed before the Big Bang? Now THAT'S what I call ignorance.

What I call ignorance is posing the question "what existed before the Big Bang."