If U.S. creationists truly believe evolution is a religion, why don't they sue over it?

[pitabread]

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States includes the Establishment Clause which prohibits the establishment of religion on behalf of the government. This clause has been used in cases against the teaching of creationism and ID in the past, including the Edwards v. Aguillard and Kitzmiller v. Dove Area School District trials respectively.

If creationists in the U.S. truly believe that evolution is a religious belief, surely they would be able to prove such in a court of law and have it stricken from the education system?

Modern creationist organizations currently take in millions in donations annually, so funding such a lawsuit would not be prohibitive.

Why aren't creationists willing to take the challenge to the courts?

 

[HTacianas]

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States includes the Establishment Clause which prohibits the establishment of religion on behalf of the government. This clause has been used in cases against the teaching of creationism and ID in the past, including the Edwards v. Aguillard and Kitzmiller v. Dove Area School District trials respectively.

Modern creationist organizations currently take in millions in donations annually, so funding such a lawsuit would not be prohibitive.

Why aren't creationists willing to take the challenge to the courts? If they truly believe that evolution is a religious belief, surely they would be able to prove such in a court of law and have it stricken from the education system?

Please don't give them any ideas.

 

[Larniavc]

Because deep down they know it’s not a religion.

 

[FireDragon76]

They have a lousy track record in court in general. Judges just don't take them seriously.

 

[lasthero]

Please don't give them any ideas.

I disagree. I’d love to see them try.

 

[HTacianas]

I disagree. I’d love to see them try.

I wouldn't. But then I am a Christian. I do not want to see even one more person reject the gospel of God based on the outright lie that some belief in evolution will condemn them. The idea that a belief in a six day creation and a six thousand year old earth are somehow articles of the Christian faith has only been around for about one hundred years. That was only concocted by a group of laymen who had no authority to determine articles of the Christian faith.

 

[Jimmy D]

How could they stand a chance against big $$$cience? Poor lambs.

 

[frogoon234]

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States includes the Establishment Clause which prohibits the establishment of religion on behalf of the government. This clause has been used in cases against the teaching of creationism and ID in the past, including the Edwards v. Aguillard and Kitzmiller v. Dove Area School District trials respectively.

If creationists in the U.S. truly believe that evolution is a religious belief, surely they would be able to prove such in a court of law and have it stricken from the education system?

Modern creationist organizations currently take in millions in donations annually, so funding such a lawsuit would not be prohibitive.

Why aren't creationists willing to take the challenge to the courts?

I actually believe Evolution doesn't contradict the book of Genesis but on a different note beliefs among scientist do involve some level of faith. Mathematical proofs are usually more certain than scientific principles. The US courts can't decide whether abortion is murder or not and the Bible does say that this world belongs to the devil. That being said Creationists don't have alot of faith in the US court system. Abortion is allowed so why wouldn't certain types of science be taught in schools.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I disagree. I’d love to see them try.

I don't know. Judge Jones -- the Bush appointee who presided over Kitzmiller -- did a really careful and thoughtful job on the case. But you know there are the Judge Roy Moore-types out there as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

If creationists in the U.S. truly believe that evolution is a religious belief, surely they would be able to prove such in a court of law and have it stricken from the education system?

Because creationists who truly believe that are in the minority.

It would be like the Seminole Indians wanting Florida back.

 

[AV1611VET]

They have a lousy track record in court in general. Judges just don't take them seriously.

I have to agree with this.

The tares get stronger the higher up you go.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[AV1611VET]

I disagree. I’d love to see them try.

We'll let Jesus handle that when He comes back.

 

[FireDragon76]

I have to agree with this.

The tares get stronger the higher up you go.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Defying the teaching of scientific facts and legitimate theory is foolishness even when looked at from a Christian perspective. It is simply dying on the wrong hill, and scandalizes the Gospel.

 

[AV1611VET]

Defying the teaching of scientific facts and legitimate theory is foolishness even when looked at from a Christian perspective.

You mean like Phlogiston theory?

If you would have lived back then, would you still think defying a legitimate theory was foolishness?

Or was Phlogiston theory never a legitimate theory?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean like Phlogiston theory?

If you would have lived back then, would you still think defying a legitimate theory was foolishness?

Or was Phlogiston theory never a legitimate theory?

And once again admitting that you are wrong.

 

[FireDragon76]

You mean like Phlogiston theory?

If you would have lived back then, would you still think defying a legitimate theory was foolishness?

Or was Phlogiston theory never a legitimate theory?

Faith isn't directly applicable to science in that manner. Trying to say the Bible is a science textbook is very much misguided.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

I wouldn't. But then I am a Christian. I do not want to see even one more person reject the gospel of God based on the outright lie that some belief in evolution will condemn them. The idea that a belief in a six day creation and a six thousand year old earth are somehow articles of the Christian faith has only been around for about one hundred years. That was only concocted by a group of laymen who had no authority to determine articles of the Christian faith.

Wrong. Most of the early church leadership believed in a 6-day Creation and young earth:

Early Church Fathers Believed in Young Earth Recent Creation

The Early Church Defended Creation Science

 

[Subduction Zone]

I actually believe Evolution doesn't contradict the book of Genesis but on a different note beliefs among scientist do involve some level of faith. Mathematical proofs are usually more certain than scientific principles. The US courts can't decide whether abortion is murder or not and the Bible does say that this world belongs to the devil. That being said Creationists don't have alot of faith in the US court system. Abortion is allowed so why wouldn't certain types of science be taught in schools.

No, faith is simply not allowed in the sciences. That is one reason that one sees such phrases as "appears to" "support the" , "is confirmed by" and other phrases that do not come right out and say that an idea is absolutely true. And why bring up abortion? Not even the Bible is clear on that. There are cases where the Bible is pro-abortion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wrong. Most of the early church leadership believed in a 6-day Creation and young earth:
Early Church Fathers Believed in Young Earth Recent Creation

Perhaps, but they had an excuse for their ignorance.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Perhaps, but they had an excuse for their ignorance.

You call THAT ignorance??? What existed before the Big Bang? Now THAT'S what I call ignorance.