If This is Intelligence . . .

[Oncedeceived]

LOUDMOUTH:

Originally Posted by Oncedeceived

'Other people' are the ones that are making the claims that support what I've said.
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I am asking you to discuss those claims. You refuse to. Specifically:

If a chemical binds to an MCP outside the cell, how does the inside of the cell get the message? When chemicals bind to an MCP or stop binding to it, it slightly changes the structure of the MCP. It is thought association or dissociation of chemicals to MCPs causes a rotation like a slight turn of a door knob. Depending on if the MCPs are rotated or not changes the activity of another enzyme that interacts with MCPs, a protein called CheA (pronounced, ‘key A’). When CheA is active, it converts two other proteins into an active form, CheB and CheY. Confused yet? When CheY is in its active form, it interacts with the base of the flagellum and causes the flagellum to switch direction of rotation and causes the bacterium to change the direction it is moving. The take home message for the mechanism is this: when the MCPs are not interacting with chemicals (nutrients), CheA and CheY are active, and the flagellum switches rotation to make the cell go in a different direction. Hopefully for the cell, the new direction it is traveling will have more nutrients that will interact with the MCPs and block more changes in direction by CheA/CheY activity.
Loop | How Do Bacteria Make Decisions?​

In your own words, how is that intelligence?

That is not a specific illustration of what they are claiming as intelligent behavior. Specifically, they show that they communicate, know their own and others which means they can differentiate between themselves and others, they can decide as a group what action they will take, some can hunt in packs and even build towers to hunt from. There are some that actually will kill themselves if diseased and not spread it to the colony.

I said that intelligence gives rise to intelligence and there is no evidence for an unguided, unplanned, and non-intelligent process giving rise to intelligence from non-intelligent matter. I claimed that Bacteria are considered intelligent. I've supported that claim with the sources I've presented.

Since the 'other people' are peer-reviewed scientists that have peer-reviewed papers and are the ones making the claims of intelligence it is only prudent that I answer the questions you have asked as they answered in their own words; my words are not relevant to their claims nor their assessment of Bacteria. My claim that Bacteria are considered intelligence has been proven. You can disagree with their assessment, but it isn't relevant to our argument because my claim is supported by peer-reviewed papers by the scientists themselves.
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The problem is that you can't even discuss bacterial intelligence in your own words.

You haven't discussed why these behaviors are not intelligent. You have made assertions and cast accusations but have not really dealt with the actual claims of the scientists at all.

 

[Oncedeceived]

LOUDMOUTH:

Originally Posted by Oncedeceived

'Other people' are the ones that are making the claims that support what I've said.
​

I am asking you to discuss those claims. You refuse to. Specifically:

If a chemical binds to an MCP outside the cell, how does the inside of the cell get the message? When chemicals bind to an MCP or stop binding to it, it slightly changes the structure of the MCP. It is thought association or dissociation of chemicals to MCPs causes a rotation like a slight turn of a door knob. Depending on if the MCPs are rotated or not changes the activity of another enzyme that interacts with MCPs, a protein called CheA (pronounced, ‘key A’). When CheA is active, it converts two other proteins into an active form, CheB and CheY. Confused yet? When CheY is in its active form, it interacts with the base of the flagellum and causes the flagellum to switch direction of rotation and causes the bacterium to change the direction it is moving. The take home message for the mechanism is this: when the MCPs are not interacting with chemicals (nutrients), CheA and CheY are active, and the flagellum switches rotation to make the cell go in a different direction. Hopefully for the cell, the new direction it is traveling will have more nutrients that will interact with the MCPs and block more changes in direction by CheA/CheY activity.
Loop | How Do Bacteria Make Decisions?​

In your own words, how is that intelligence?

That is not a specific illustration of what they are claiming as intelligent behavior. Specifically, they show that they communicate, know their own and others which means they can differentiate between themselves and others, they can decide as a group what action they will take, some can hunt in packs and even build towers to hunt from. There are some that actually will kill themselves if diseased and not spread it to the colony.

I said that intelligence gives rise to intelligence and there is no evidence for an unguided, unplanned, and non-intelligent process giving rise to intelligence from non-intelligent matter. I claimed that Bacteria are considered intelligent. I've supported that claim with the sources I've presented.

Since the 'other people' are peer-reviewed scientists that have peer-reviewed papers and are the ones making the claims of intelligence it is only prudent that I answer the questions you have asked as they answered in their own words; my words are not relevant to their claims nor their assessment of Bacteria. My claim that Bacteria are considered intelligence has been proven. You can disagree with their assessment, but it isn't relevant to our argument because my claim is supported by peer-reviewed papers by the scientists themselves.

The problem is that you can't even discuss bacterial intelligence in your own words.

You haven't discussed why these behaviors are not intelligent. You have made assertions and cast accusations but have not really dealt with the actual claims of the scientists at all.