If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Wine was pretty much the only safe thing TO drink. Water born diseases were killed by alcohol

This is not about AV supporting reality.

 

[coffee4u]

Then you assumed a point not backed by fact.
Just as you do not know that Frodo made the one ring of power. So I do not knoe that Jesus is God, or that God has always been.

Appaches 3:8 Yet of the Daughter we hear "Thy steed, oh Unicorn, is long, and mighty the book of your city"

Whatever

Hugies 3:27 19 Huh? Wow. What a load of nonsense.

Thats nice.

Since you are posting on a Christian Forum I assumed you understood the basics of the faith such as the Trinity. No one said you had to agree with it.

 

[Bradskii]

There is no such thing as natural alcohol-free grape juice. Wine is nothing but fermented grape juice and the fermentation process begins as soon as the fruit is so much as bruised. If you want to make alcohol-free grape juice you have to remove the alcohol naturally present and pasteurize or refrigerate the result. Nobody in biblical times did that.

We were checking out some vineyards recently and called into an orchard that had some decent cider by all acounts. They were quite pleased to show us their new line of alcohol free cider. Carbonated or still.

Ummm...isn't that...apple juice?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

We were checking out some vineyards recently and called into an orchard that had some decent cider by all acounts. They were quite pleased to show us their new line of alcohol free cider. Carbonated or still.

Ummm...isn't that...apple juice?

Less than!
We are not dealing with science here.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Since you are posting on a Christian Forum I assumed you understood the basics of the faith such as the Trinity. No one said you had to agree with it.

Alas, there are as many versions of the trinity, as there are sects.
Jesus is a 1st century character.
Posting jibberish about thrones and "powers" (are we talking magic powers here?) is not useful.
The Ediacaran biota was predominantly carnivorous animals

 

[AV1611VET]

Alas, there are as many versions of the trinity, as there are sects.

I find that hard to believe, unless you're defining "trinity" in its secular sense.

If you're not defining "trinity" in its secular sense, please show me one other god, who is three persons in one.

 

[Speedwell]

I find that hard to believe, unless you're defining "trinity" in its secular sense.

If you're not defining "trinity" in its secular sense, please show me one other god, who is three persons in one.

The reference was to the Christian God and the remark concerned how the Christian God is three persons in one. The poster correctly observed that there are many versions as to how.

 

[AV1611VET]

The reference was to the Christian God and the remark concerned how the Christian God is three persons in one. The poster correctly observed that there are many versions as to how.

Um ... Post 161 ...

Just as you do not know that Frodo made the one ring of power. So I do not knoe that Jesus is God, or that God has always been.

 

[coffee4u]

Alas, there are as many versions of the trinity, as there are sects.
Jesus is a 1st century character.
Posting jibberish about thrones and "powers" (are we talking magic powers here?) is not useful.
The Ediacaran biota was predominantly carnivorous animals

I posted scripture not gibberish. By deciding to post on a Christian site you can expect to see it frequently.

 

[AV1611VET]

I posted scripture not gibberish. By deciding to post on a Christian site you can expect to see it frequently.

Aren't atheists supposed to know the Bible more than Christians?

 

[Speedwell]

Aren't atheists supposed to know the Bible more than Christians?

I think that only applies to atheists who spend much time in chatrooms like this arguing with biblical creationists. Also, biblical creationists know the Bible, but they don't seem to know as much about the Bible as atheists and non-creationist Christians.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I posted scripture not gibberish. By deciding to post on a Christian site you can expect to see it frequently.

It was the abuse of scripture that made it "gibberish".

 

[AV1611VET]

Also, biblical creationists know the Bible, but they don't seem to know as much about the Bible as atheists and non-creationist Christians.

Meaning they don't know It's corrupted, full of contradictions and outdated information?

 

[Speedwell]

Meaning they don't know It's corrupted, full of contradictions and outdated information?

No, I mean they don't know that there is less of that than they think there would be if they actually learned about it. Sometimes I get the impression that biblical creationist are actually afraid to find out anything real about the texts as documents with a history.

 

[AV1611VET]

It was the abuse of scripture that made it "gibberish".

What I would like to see is this line explained:

Alas, there are as many versions of the trinity, as there are sects.

Given that there are 38,000 "Christian" sects, here's the version that I subscribe to:

Trinity = Triunity = Godhead = Three Persons as One

I'd like to see another ten or so, out of the 37,999 remaining.

And I'll even give one myself:

The Jesus Only Movement, that says Jesus is the only true God, but manifests Himself as Father or Holy Ghost as needed.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I mean they don't know that there is less of that than they think there would be if they actually learned about it. Sometimes I get the impression that biblical creationist are actually afraid to find out anything real about the texts as documents with a history.

I have no idea what you just said.

 

[Speedwell]

I have no idea what you just said.

That most of the apparent corruption, contradiction and outdated information is caused by imposing a condition of literal inerrancy on the texts.

 

[AV1611VET]

That most of the apparent corruption, contradiction and outdated information is caused by imposing a condition of literal inerrancy on the texts.

Okay, thanks.

 

[Mr Laurier]

I posted scripture not gibberish. By deciding to post on a Christian site you can expect to see it frequently.

The Ediacaran biota.
Not poorly edited books of ancient myths, legends, fairy tales, priestly self justifications, and petty tribal bragging.
We are addressing science here. Facts backed by evidence.
Not how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not how many fairies can dance on the head of a pin.

How many teeth does it take to make a man in Nebraska?