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If there was God, could proof exist, and not demand more than freedom?

Tiberius

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I have heard an argument along the lines ' we are free to believe or disbelieve in God. If we were rational and there were evidence or proof of His existence, we would be complelled to believe. But God created man free to choose in this regard, therefore it is a good thing there is no proof'.

Isn't it possible that God, being omnipotent and being unbound by logic*, would be able to show us proof that he exists without violating our free will?

Anyway, there's so much evidence for evolution, yet many people discount that, so I don't think that evidence is going to violate our free will anyway.

(*God, having created logic, cannot be bound by it.)
 
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quatona

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I have heard an argument along the lines ' we are free to believe or disbelieve in God. If we were rational and there were evidence or proof of His existence, we would be complelled to believe. But God created man free to choose in this regard, therefore it is a good thing there is no proof'.
And - do you find this line of reasoning convincing?
Except for this particular context, I have never heard of the idea that supplying someone with information is regarded a limitation of their "freewill". Does the fact that people usually have manifest evidence of the existence of their future spouse come down to a limitation of their "freewill" whether and whom to marry?
 
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