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If there is "no evidence" for evolution...

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Where are they not accurate?
The universe did not go from its inception to an Earth with a biosphere in six days; man was not made from dust nor woman from his rib, etc. But that's beside the point. I just wanted it to be clear what the "bias" is you are talking about. No, it's not about the existence of God or His authorship of the universe.
 
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Scientific background: The public school system from 1959-1971. I was a zoology major in Jr. College, and also took Psychology.
My point is: a lot of what is taught is not true science. It is a wrong conclusion based on an incorrect bias.

Please, enlighten us what is "true science" and what determines whether science is "true" or not.
 
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A. JuCo's don't offer "majors."
B. Psychology has nothing to do with natural science.
& C. Science is the best way to learn about reality.
When I was in Jr. Co, I believe we took certain classes to prepare for transfer into a "major" at a 4 yr. college.
Actually Psychology does have something to do with "natural science" because one must deal with the mind/thinking of the scientist.
"C. Science is the best way to learn about reality." The flaw with that is that so many times scientist in history have said so many erroneous things; the world is flat, earth is the center of the universe, the moon has a lot of dust on it, all the planets should be rotating in the same direction, the sun is only 10 miles from the earth, and on and on. Even modern scientists know little of the sum of knowledge that is in deep space.
 
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G1/2 are myths, that express man's understanding of the nature of reality and our place in it. Genesis is not literal in any sense, and this anti-intellectual movement of creationism is for the gullible.
This is your own erroneous faulty position, that you have learned from other atheistic scientist. Just because you keep repeating it for 300 years doesn't make it true. Why are argue, neither of us are going to switch our positions we so cherish.
 
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The universe did not go from its inception to an Earth with a biosphere in six days; man was not made from dust nor woman from his rib, etc. But that's beside the point. I just wanted it to be clear what the "bias" is you are talking about. No, it's not about the existence of God or His authorship of the universe.
Again, just because evolutionist make these kind of statements they want to believe, doesn't make them true. You can call them facts all you want. That doesn't make them facts. Evolutionists and atheists are no experts on the Bible. Romans 1:22.
 
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When I was in Jr. Co, I believe we took certain classes to prepare for transfer into a "major" at a 4 yr. college.
Actually Psychology does have something to do with "natural science" because one must deal with the mind/thinking of the scientist.
"C. Science is the best way to learn about reality." The flaw with that is that so many times scientist in history have said so many erroneous things; the world is flat, earth is the center of the universe, the moon has a lot of dust on it, all the planets should be rotating in the same direction, the sun is only 10 miles from the earth, and on and on. Even modern scientists know little of the sum of knowledge that is in deep space.
Word salad.

Science is the only reason we know anything at all.

Myths are not literal.
 
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This is your own erroneous faulty position, that you have learned from other atheistic scientist. Just because you keep repeating it for 300 years doesn't make it true. Why are argue, neither of us are going to switch our positions we so cherish.
Nothing about G1/2 is literal. Everyone knows this.

You only believe it’s literal because your pastor told you it is.
 
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Please, enlighten us what is "true science" and what determines whether science is "true" or not.
True science is true, factual, actual "knowledge" of nature and it's laws, such as centrifugal force, gravity, etc. It is not man's opinion or theory or hope, and has 0% chance of being incorrect.
 
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Word salad.

Science is the only reason we know anything at all.

Myths are not literal.
They thought the unicorn was a myth, until they found such examples of fossils of large animals with one horn coming out of it's skull. Imagine the surprise of the first modern person to see a narwhal in the ocean. A whale with a horn coming out of it's head. They thought the Hittites were a myth, until archaeology unearth ancient records speaking of them. Same with King David and a tone of other things. People that don't want to believe, call so many things "myths" that really existed. Take dragons. Not Disney dragons exactly, but fire breathing dinosaurs. There are insects today that could be cited, like "the bombardier beetle".
 
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Again, just because evolutionist make these kind of statements they want to believe, doesn't make them true.
Quite right. One has to look at the evidence behind the statements to be sure.
You can call them facts all you want. That doesn't make them facts.
Right again. In science, facts have to be verifiable.
Evolutionists and atheists are no experts on the Bible. Romans 1:22.
In my experience "evolutionists and atheists" know quite a bit more about the Bible than the standard run of creationists. Hence the "bias" against taking a literal reading of Genesis as accurate literal history/scientific evidence of our origins..
 
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Nothing about G1/2 is literal. Everyone knows this.

You only believe it’s literal because your pastor told you it is.
I don't need a pastor to tell me these things. I am not a kid. I am a retired pastor, that also had an interest in true science. I also have a nature as not just to take everything pastors say as accurate. I have been like that for over 45 years. The flip side might be that you only believe it is not literal because your secular or misguided religious teachers told you so.
 
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I don't need a pastor to tell me these things. I am not a kid. I am a retired pastor, that also had an interest in true science. I also have a nature as not just to take everything pastors say as accurate. I have been like that for over 45 years. The flip side might be that you only believe it is not literal because your secular or misguided religious teachers told you so.
LOL! From my standpoint it's your relgious teachers who are misguided.
 
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Nothing about G1/2 is literal. Everyone knows this.

You only believe it’s literal because your pastor told you it is.
"Everyone knows this." For that statement to be true you would have to know what everyone knows, or be omniscient. I don't think you are, and I don't think you know the millions of Christians that know that Genesis can be taken literally. Have you ever read all of Genesis, or all of the Bible over 40 times as some of us have?
 
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LOL! From my standpoint it's your relgious teachers who are misguided.
I understand that. 1 Corinthians 2:14; Romans 1:22.
1 Corinthians 14:38; John 12:48.
 
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LOL! From my standpoint it's your relgious teachers who are misguided.
You might want to consider two things:
1. What "sin" is it that you would not want to give up if you found out that the Bible really is the Word of God and You will be held by Him to be accountable to it on Judgment Day?
2. If I am wrong, I still have enjoyed my life of health and peace, material blessings, and much more, and
then pass into nothingness.
If you are wrong, you go to hell for eternal torment.
There is much more involved than just this, but that in itself should be sufficient to make sure you are not making the worst mistake you could possibly make.

Wishing you well.
 
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"Everyone knows this." For that statement to be true you would have to know what everyone knows, or be omniscient. I don't think you are, and I don't think you know the millions of Christians that know that Genesis can be taken literally. Have you ever read all of Genesis, or all of the Bible over 40 times as some of us have?
Not so fast, Slick. We all know that Genesis can be taken as accounts of actual persons and events, and millions of Christians throught the world do so. There are even such believers in the Episciopal Church, of all places. But that's not exactly what we're talking about, is it. Genesis can be taken literally. The question is, must it be taken literally? In particularly, must it be taken as the literal, inerrant and self-interpreting product of plenary verbal inspiration? And is that necessity so absolute as to justify the political pretensions of those who subscribe to it?
 
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You might want to consider two things:
1. What "sin" is it that you would not want to give up if you found out that the Bible really is the Word of God and You will be held by Him to be accountable to it on Judgment Day?
2. If I am wrong, I still have enjoyed my life of health and peace, material blessings, and much more, and
then pass into nothingness.
If you are wrong, you go to hell for eternal torment.
There is much more involved than just this, but that in itself should be sufficient to make sure you are not making the worst mistake you could possibly make.

Wishing you well.

Pascal's wager...seriously? Do you have some more PRATT's in stock or was that it?
 
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You might want to consider two things:
1. What "sin" is it that you would not want to give up if you found out that the Bible really is the Word of God and You will be held by Him to be accountable to it on Judgment Day?
Since I believe that the Bible is the Word of God and expect to face judgement like everybody else, I don't think I could answer your question. I take the position that such a question, directed to a fellow Christian, is nothing but a considered insult.
2. If I am wrong, I still have enjoyed my life of health and peace, material blessings, and much more, and
then pass into nothingness.
If you are wrong, you go to hell for eternal torment.
There is much more involved than just this, but that in itself should be sufficient to make sure you are not making the worst mistake you could possibly make.

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So I am going to Hell for not agreeing with your reading of Genesis? You might want to remember that such a statement about another Christian is a reportable offense under the rules of this forum, and such an attitude is one of the main reasons you are getting pushback here from more than just the atheists.
 
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Not so fast, Slick. We all know that Genesis can be taken as accounts of actual persons and events, and millions of Christians throught the world do so. There are even such believers in the Episciopal Church, of all places. But that's not exactly what we're talking about, is it. Genesis can be taken literally. The question is, must it be taken literally? In particularly, must it be taken as the literal, inerrant and self-interpreting product of plenary verbal inspiration? And is that necessity so absolute as to justify the political pretensions of those who subscribe to it?
Now you are changing the "natural' meaning of your own words. One doesn't have to be correct on every aspect of the Bible to have a good relationship with God. I am not hear to perpetuate an argument, to jump from one thing to another just to keep arguing. Consider why you want to continue this discussion with me, and if you are honest, I doubt if I will want to keep chasing your rabbits when you are not really open to the core of what I share. Have a good night.
 
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Pascal's wager...seriously? Do you have some more PRATT's in stock or was that it?
No. That's it. I am not hear to debate those stuck in their erroneous thinking, and caste the pearls before the ..... Have a good night sleeping in the bed you are making for yourself.
 
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