If there is "no evidence" for evolution...

[Kenny'sID]

For starters, you called it "subjective".

If you are incapable to keeping up and did not see my comment on that then don't expect me to repeat/link you to what you missed. It's just too time consuming.

 

[Kenny'sID]

But it does make you a mammal!
Only mammals have hair and none of them have feathers.

So, does that make my comment wrong?

That would be a violation of the nested hierarchy, which is evidence of evolution/common ancestry again.

Oh, am I in violation of another one of your silly rules, that I must go by , no matter what clown came up with it, or there is something wrong with my way of thinking?

Duly noted.

Oh, and did you know there was a rule science proves nothing.

The thousands of ERV's you share with primates on the other hand, do mean exactly that.

That is part of proving evolution. See, you have to actually prove all the little untruths that make up evolution...we aren't just going to believe such things, you have to be able to show us it's a fact. I'm guess I shouldn't be surprised you haven't picked up on that, but it;s an integral part of backing up things as fact, otherwise all we have is your word and thus far, people aren't proving much of anything.

You people are so good with making up rules, but following old standard rules, like offering proof? Not so much.

Nope. It can actually go only one way if you also take into account all other species with a coccyx or an actual tail.

Why does one equate to the other...not even a sound assumption, or at the very least, it could go either way if we have a tail at all. They/you just choose to see it that way, because it backs the preconceived notions. However, there is one way to clear it up, but sadly, I think it's pretty safe to say, that won't be happening here.

More prove and lest talk will get us to our goal.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I have hair too but that doen't make me an ape, or a dog, or a cat, nor does it mean I descended from such, or them me for that matter. Or does that mean that animals with tails descended from a full fledged human being? So many ways that could go.

Your hair is an interesting point. You have hair all over you body, including very fine hairs on places you normally think of as hairless, such as your forehead. This is, of course, evidence you were descended from a species that used fur as protection against the elements rather than clothing.
Of course, you assert that isn't the case, you assert that no matter what evidence is presented. Nothing can stop you from uttering the words "this doesn't mean that I descended from such" . . . and you have that right to be wrong.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

incorrect. here is what i realy said:

"speciation is just variation of the same family.so its not evolution in terms of new kind of creature."

You can't say that in a scientific context because you don't have a rigorous definition of what a "kind" is. "kind" is a word for the imaginary boundary beyond which evolution cannot work changes. There is no such boundary. You can't even define it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The thousands of ERV's you share with primates on the other hand, do mean exactly that.
Another independent piece of evidence for common ancestry and nested hierarchies.

Then we did indeed come from monkeys?

 

[Speedwell]

Then we did indeed come from monkeys?

No, we share a common ancestor with monkeys.

 

[xianghua]

No, we share a common ancestor with monkeys.

so our ancestor wasnt a monkey then?

 

[xianghua]

You can't say that in a scientific context because you don't have a rigorous definition of what a "kind" is. "kind" is a word for the imaginary boundary beyond which evolution cannot work changes. There is no such boundary. You can't even define it.

why not? kind= creatures that can techincally interbreed.

 

[Speedwell]

so our ancestor wasnt a monkey then?

No.

 

[Aman777]

No, we share a common ancestor with monkeys.

False, since Humans were made long before ANY other living creature. Our connection to Apes is through our relationship with the sons of God (prehistoric people). We inherited their DNA and ERVs because Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Gen 10:10 Like Cain, on Adam's Earth, they married and produced children with the one million prehistoric people alive 11k years ago, when the Ark arrived on our planet. Today, there are some 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) alive, on planet Earth. It's all a part of God's perfect 7 Day/Age Creation.

 

[Speedwell]

why not? kind= creatures that can techincally interbreed.

Creatures that can technically interbreed = species.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No, we share a common ancestor with monkeys.

Was the Monkey in between the ancestor and us? Ancestor first then monkey, then us?

 

[PsychoSarah]

why not? kind= creatures that can techincally interbreed.

Every person defines "kind" differently.

 

[Speedwell]

Was the Monkey in between the ancestor and us? Ancestor first then monkey, then us?

None of the above. Think of monkeys as more like distant cousins.

 

[Kenny'sID]

None of the above. Think of monkeys as more like distant cousins.

But I descended from my distant cousins...so we did come from monkeys?

If not, na, I'd rather have a straight answer. Can you provide that?

See, thing's as they are, I'm having a little trouble just thinking of anything said by some here is fact, but still, you may surprise me.

 

[Phred]

False, since today's Humans inherited our coccyx from the sons of God (prehistoric people) Gen 6:4 when Noah's grandsons married and produced children with them. Cush, for example, married and produced Nimrod, Gen 10:10 the builder of the first Human cities on this planet of people who descended from Apes. Nimrod changed from prehistoric to Human in just one generation. NO magical evolution needed. It's plain old descent with modification within kinds.

Today's Humans (descendants of Adam) descended from the combination of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and the daughters of Adam/mankind. In the past 11k years, the population of Humans has gone from a few to more than 7 Billion. Our God is an awesome God. He has made many in order to have more Humans to populate His perfect Heaven. Jesus is Lord.

Thank you for your perfectly laid out example of why your statement is not possible. Now, if you had studied genetics, which you have not, you would understand the difference between dominant and recessive genes. Take eye color for example. There were EIGHT people on the ark. Noah and his wife gave birth to three sons. IF Noah had BROWN eyes his sons would have had brown eyes and then every single person on earth would have had brown eyes because brown eyes are DOMINANT. So obviously they did not have BROWN eyes. Let's say that they had BLUE eyes. It takes BOTH parents to pass on a recessive trait. So either their kids had blue or green eyes but could not have had both. If blue then one of the kid's wives could have had brown eyes and there you go, brown and blue eyed kids. But you can't get green eyes out that. If Noah and his wife had green eyes then you get green eyes and brown... but not blue. So just in eyes you can't get that from the people on the ark. Then you add in the other traits, blonde hair, red hair, brunette hair and so on. Let's continue. Dwarfism. That's a genetic trait that had to be carried by the people on the ark. How about these?

• cystic fibrosis,
• sickle cell anemia,
• Marfan syndrome,
• Huntington's disease, and
• hemochromatosis.

Yeah, the people on the Ark had to have those too. As well as Sickle Cell Anemia. Which one of the passengers on the Ark had that? These people must have been really sick.

It simply is not genetically possible for the entire genetic makeup of the human race to have been carried in just EIGHT people. I'll simplify this even further. It is not possible.

Now you can tell me about how it was a miracle.

 

[Phred]

But I descended from my distant cousins...so we did come from monkeys?

If not, na, I'd rather have a straight answer. Can you provide that?

See, thing's as they are, I'm having a little trouble just thinking of anything said by some here is fact, but still, you may surprise me.

You and your distant cousins and monkeys came from a common ancestor.

 

[Phred]

My true colors are the same as God's Truth which AGREES in every way with every discovery of mankind. IOW, you haven't understood a word I've posted OR you know down deep in your heart that you are in error, so you wish to run. God Bless you

That is not true.

You make claims. You make claims that do not agree with the data. The data is fact. I don't care what you think the Bible says or what you think God's word is. If we have observed that objects fall and you think the Bible says they don't then it's your interpretation of the Bible that's wrong.

 

[Speedwell]

But I descended from my distant cousins...so we did come from monkeys?

You did? That's highly unusual. Most of us descend from our parents, grandparents and so on. I'm not quite sure how a cousin could be a direct ancestor.

 

[Astrophile]

Point is … regarding “life” … one either believes we were divinely created … or evolved somehow. Some even believe the planet was “seeded” by Extraterrestrials.

The obvious logical problem with the idea that the earth was "seeded" by extra-terrestrials is that the extra-terrestrials themselves had to come from somewhere. Did they evolve, were they divinely created, or was their planet "seeded" by a previous generation of aliens (and so, presumably, ad infinitum)?