If the only thing that changes over your lifetime, is an interpretation of God: what "Evolves"?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So, a simple question for you: if the only thing that you change over your lifetime, is your interpretation of God (let's say "one change"): what "Evolves"? What happens to my allele frequencies? Do they agree or disagree?

The point being, it is objectively: one change.

Not a series of changes, not a self-referential loop of changes: one change.

How would I go from "believing it myself" to "believing it in keep with a population"? Would I have to convince a population? What would convince a population?

What about God? Is God compelled to acknowledge the change? Does that not compensate, for everything I might otherwise have missed out on?

I am really struggling to understand what you see as an advantage, without God - so if God is the only change: I will be told concretely what it is, that God does not do?

 

[Gottservant]

It might make Evolutionist survival better, right?

God is able to optimise Evolution, better than an Evolutionist could?

 

[Hans Blaster]

So, a simple question for you: if the only thing that you change over your lifetime, is your interpretation of God (let's say "one change"): what "Evolves"? What happens to my allele frequencies? Do they agree or disagree?

Identify the "God gene" and the believing and non-believing alleles of it, or READ MY POST FROM 5 MINUTES AGO IN THE OTHER THREAD AND LEARN WHAT EVOLUTION CLAIMS ABOUT INDIVIDUALS AND POPULATIONS BEFORE PROCEEDING.

 

[Gottservant]

On what do you base your claim that its only ever populations that evolve?

That there are only populations? Or that individuals somehow become redundant?

There are individuals. Individuals are not necessarily redundant.

I honestly can't think of a single observation, that would suggest that individuals wait until there is a population, before they adjust their allele frequencies...

 

[Scottish Highlander]

Hi there,

So, a simple question for you: if the only thing that you change over your lifetime, is your interpretation of God (let's say "one change"): what "Evolves"? What happens to my allele frequencies? Do they agree or disagree?

The point being, it is objectively: one change.

Not a series of changes, not a self-referential loop of changes: one change.

How would I go from "believing it myself" to "believing it in keep with a population"? Would I have to convince a population? What would convince a population?

What about God? Is God compelled to acknowledge the change? Does that not compensate, for everything I might otherwise have missed out on?

I am really struggling to understand what you see as an advantage, without God - so if God is the only change: I will be told concretely what it is, that God does not do?

The only change that can happen is the change that is in people's hearts. If their hearts are hardened by nonsense then they might not be saved and they may never see God.

The advantage of God is being saved and living a true Christian life. More so, it makes society civilized as God wanted.

And yes, you are right, the only change is within yourself. You can plant the seed of God within others by telling them about the Bible but it is up to God to change them. Just as the farmer is good at making seeds grow by tilling it, plowing it, weeding it, and turning it, so to is the Christian who is good at telling the gospel and making the seed of faith fertile enough to grow in others. After that, it is up to God.

In other cases, God is all that is needed. Time and time again, farmers see strange plants in their fields that they did not grow. In the same way, Christians come to God from populations (or fields rather) of the same crop and they are different than the Christian crop in the fields of non-believer crops which may die out soon or did not even grow or are infested with bugs and diseases.

You mentioned also that there is a such thing as evolution. The only thing with that "evolves" is that people either grow closer or further away from God. There is no "evolving", only losing faith and regaining faith.

As with society and seeing change, they cannot see God if they do not believe in him. God does miracles all of the time but people expect some type of Hollywood nonsense with angels flying out of the sky. That very well may happen but in the Bible it says that no man have ever seen God or Jesus and it says to look for His clues. If you can't find clues then just look outside and see the trees, there's clues. Or witness the life in others, that is a clue. Or maybe see the deer and the birds and the plants, those are clues. Thank Jesus for everything and for all meals you have and pray for the things that you have. Wish good to others and forgive those that have done you wrong. Do not follow the 7 deadly sins and follow the 10 commandments. God is right under our noses but we do not see him. A godless society filled with stupidity is a doomed one, which we are seeing unfold.

 

[Gottservant]

The only change that can happen is the change that is in people's hearts.

[...]

God is right under our noses but we do not see him. [...]

Such wonderful words: the Lord truly inspires you!

Pray that the Law would convict those it needs to convict!

We are blessed, if we do what we know to do!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is really more of a theological question than a biological one, not going to lie.

And it reinforces the fact that you still haven't learn anything about evolution!

 

[driewerf]

Hi there,

So, a simple question for you: if the only thing that you change over your lifetime, is your interpretation of God (let's say "one change"): what "Evolves"? What happens to my allele frequencies? Do they agree or disagree?

The point being, it is objectively: one change.

Not a series of changes, not a self-referential loop of changes: one change.

How would I go from "believing it myself" to "believing it in keep with a population"? Would I have to convince a population? What would convince a population?

What about God? Is God compelled to acknowledge the change? Does that not compensate, for everything I might otherwise have missed out on?

I am really struggling to understand what you see as an advantage, without God - so if God is the only change: I will be told concretely what it is, that God does not do?

Individuals don't evolve, but populations do, as has been explained to you here;
I give up: I'd rather go backwards, than forwards (in Evolution)

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

On what do you base your claim that its only ever populations that evolve?

It's part of the definition of biological evolution: "The change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations."

 

[Gottservant]

I put it to you:

that even though, Christ only made one change to His perfection on the cross...

...His Father (God) remained the most Evolved, of any Evolution, from before then, on to all time!

All we can hope to be, is a shadow to His Glory!

 

[Gottservant]

God knew every evolution that would ever be possible, and He still forgives.

There is no conceit, that wasn't destroyed, at the foot of the cross.

When you have surrendered to Jesus, then you will realise: just how evolved a relationship with Him can be!

 

[SelfSim]

When you have surrendered to Jesus, then you will realise: just how evolved a relationship with Him can be!

.. a relationship forged from the threat of the abject terrors of hell being imposed on his subjects .. by someone who derives his own pleasures via imposing total domination over them.

Wonderful basis to form a lasting relationship upon ... Not for me, thank you!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God knew every evolution that would ever be possible, and He still forgives.

There is no conceit, that wasn't destroyed, at the foot of the cross.

When you have surrendered to Jesus, then you will realise: just how evolved a relationship with Him can be!

You're mixing theology and biology and making no sense as usual.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I put it to you:

that even though, Christ only made one change to His perfection on the cross...

He made something perfect imperfect? Why?

...His Father (God) remained the most Evolved, of any Evolution, from before then, on to all time!

All we can hope to be, is a shadow to His Glory!

God evolves? The unchanging, perfect, immaculate etc God changes? Do you have evidence?*

*I can support that claim, but probably not in the way you would like me to.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I put it to you:

that even though, Christ only made one change to His perfection on the cross...

...His Father (God) remained the most Evolved, of any Evolution, from before then, on to all time!

All we can hope to be, is a shadow to His Glory!

Are you lost?

Just because you inserted the word "evolution" into your post doesn't make it ontopic. This is (some sort of) theology, not the biology of origins and species.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

God knew every evolution that would ever be possible, and He still forgives.

There is no conceit, that wasn't destroyed, at the foot of the cross.

When you have surrendered to Jesus, then you will realise: just how evolved a relationship with Him can be!

This is not an appropriate forum for preaching.

 

[SelfSim]

He made something perfect imperfect? Why?

Apparently for the same reason he has to come back and repair his original fix for it .. again!?

 

[Kylie]

Hi there,

So, a simple question for you: if the only thing that you change over your lifetime, is your interpretation of God (let's say "one change"): what "Evolves"? What happens to my allele frequencies? Do they agree or disagree?

The point being, it is objectively: one change.

Not a series of changes, not a self-referential loop of changes: one change.

How would I go from "believing it myself" to "believing it in keep with a population"? Would I have to convince a population? What would convince a population?

What about God? Is God compelled to acknowledge the change? Does that not compensate, for everything I might otherwise have missed out on?

I am really struggling to understand what you see as an advantage, without God - so if God is the only change: I will be told concretely what it is, that God does not do?

You've been told many times that individuals don't evolve, populations evolve over many generations.

If you change some belief you hold, that is not evolution of any kind.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I read it this way the first time:

You've been told many times that individuals don't evolve, ...
over many generations.

Some times it seems like it.

 

[Gottservant]

[...]The only thing with that "evolves" is that people either grow closer or further away from God. There is no "evolving", only losing faith and regaining faith.[...]

I thought this was particularly perceptive: in the sense that we must start with what God gives us, we are forever indebted to respond to the context in which we are given faith.

It does not make sense to say "you made me clay, now I will be iron".

The end result of trying to change, is that you are broken.