IF the New AI Tools are SO GREAT, Why Aren't They Being Used by the Big Social Media Platforms to do Fact-Checking???

[Stephen3141]

I think because the idea of 'fact checking' and social relationships don't always equate. At least for social media. Thats unless people were debating a particular topic or issue.

But how would Ai determine if say abortion is ethical. It can determine the facts such as the development of the fetus stages. But how does that determine the morality of it. To a machine life means nothing. Its a programmed response and has no real world human experience.

Social media, is the same medium (human conversations) that can be
examined for TRUE or FALSE statemetns. I don't see how you can separate
personal conversations with other people, as being outside the realm of
"fact-checking".

And, "artificial intelligence" by the definition of Computer Science, which
developed the area of study, is "the emulation of complex human problem solving".
Just as historical thinkers have debated what virtues and vices are, in the
area of Moral Theory, so too, if AI software products wished to emulate this
complex human behavior, it would have algorithms installed that could emulate
the complex human ability to discuss moral-ethical right, and moral-ethical
wrong.

Modern Americans, in many cases, and the billionaires creating these AI tools,
have made the conscious decision that they do not want to ATTEMPT to
reason about moral-ethical right, and moral-ethical wrong. And this decision,
is incompatible with the Judea-Christian moral-ethical code. Ignoring this
moral-ethical attempt, is undercutting the command "You shall not lie!"

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's kind of odd to expect an Artificial Intelligence to all of a sudden become a True Intelligence.

 

[Laodicean60]

One of my concerns is that the new AI tools OUGHT TO HAVE moral-ethical
principles built into them, in order to respect and care for human beings,
and society in general. (This would be a "Christian" concern, about this
technology.)

This will never happen because humans are flawed and AI uses human-created information.

 

[eclipsenow]

They're at least going to have to program in a solution to the trolley problem in self driving cars. That was hilarious in "The good place" but quite poignant and traumatic for Will Smith's character in "I Robot".

 

[Stephen3141]

It's kind of odd to expect an Artificial Intelligence to all of a sudden become a True Intelligence.

I'm not sure what you mean by "True intelligence".

Could you define what you mean?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'm not sure what you mean by "True intelligence".

Could you define what you mean?

Think of artificial intelligence like a childhood. A true intelligence is like an adult, no longer needing to be fed information, can think for itself.

 

[Stephen3141]

Think of artificial intelligence like a childhood. A true intelligence is like an adult, no longer needing to be fed information, can think for itself.

(I don't think that you understand the definition of "artificial intelligence" by
Computer Science, or the algorithmic approaches to producing AI in software.

I think that you are free-associating with sci-fi movies, and out of touch with
software algorithm design.)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

(I don't think that you understand the definition of "artificial intelligence" by
Computer Science, or the algorithmic approaches to producing AI in software.

I think that you are free-associating with sci-fi movies, and out of touch with
software algorithm design.)

That's why the companies with AI do everything they can to get the AIs to buddy up with humans, they're basically infants.

 

[Stephen3141]

The fact is that AI can be fed bad information and thus cannot be a valid form of fact checking.

I AGREE!

This points to the (somewhat obvious) problem, that if a person does not
have sound philosophical principles, THEN they are in no place to reason
about ...

1 what our shared reality is
2 how we can objectively observe events/aspects in our shared reality
3 how we can rigorously test a proposition, to see if it "matches" our
shared reality

At least these considerations are needed to determine IF a proposition
could be called TRUE.

And, as you conclude, the weak AI tools that we have, have libraries of data
"front-loaded" for them, by the designer. And, it the designer wants to
spread propaganda, or anti-vax myths, or racism, or rancor about the hard
sciences or logic, THEN the AI tool will reflect this.
---------- ----------

This is why our high school students MUST have a good exposure to the
historic philosophical primitive questions, and formal logic.

(The ultimate in front-loaded bias, is in the conspiracy theories that front-load
that ANY INFORMATION CONTRARY TO MY ASSERTION, IS BEING SUPPLIED BY
THE DEEP STATE, OR SOME OTHER OMNIPOTENT EVIL ACTOR....)

 

[Stephen3141]

There are also the machine learning factors. AI combs various databases and even websites to learn or asks other AI machines. The principle is GIGO (Garbage in / Garbage out) One thing it will rule out pretty fast is the human comment, since this is almost always subjective and often unreliable. Computers have already determined that humans are a problem. Computers use intrinsic logic at a level that is hard for humans to fathom.

It is my opinion (and I'm not alone) that AI will be (present) an image of the beast eventually. What is a foundational part of the Beast? Knowledge. It will be able to sway the masses knowing how to invoke proper imagery. Movie Directors specialize in this. With AI able to impersonate people, images almost anything and with robotics becoming almost human like, it seems even more clearly we are reaching the last days faster and faster. But I digress...

Although your opinion reflects the anti-intellectual view of SOME Christian
groups, (as I have mentioned many times before) this anti-intellectual view
is incompatible with the historic, orthodox Christian belief that the Old
Testament presents knowledge and understanding as something that is
valuable, and should be pursued by a godly person.

I disagree with your global skepticism about knowledge.
I think that your personal theology, heavily biases your view toward
the new AI tools.

 

[eclipsenow]

Although your opinion reflects the anti-intellectual view of SOME Christian
groups, (as I have mentioned many times before) this anti-intellectual view
is incompatible with the historic, orthodox Christian belief that the Old
Testament presents knowledge and understanding as something that is
valuable, and should be pursued by a godly person.

I disagree with your global skepticism about knowledge.
I think that your personal theology, heavily biases your view toward
the new AI tools.

I'm Amil - and this is all a bit triggering.

Context - I am a passionate environmentalist and climate activist. But I'm also aware that we need to present hope - especially for young people. There was a suicide in a group I was in 20 years ago and I met with the father. I've not been the same since.

The Doomer network online is growing. Many are angry that Christian hope in the afterlife appears to make us careless about life and nature now. They have either read - or just absorbed as a 'meme' - Lynn White’s 1967 article in the Science Journal: The Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis which blames Christianity's 'dominion' over the earth as the founding cultural reason for our rejection of environmentalism now.

But the worse cases are when End Times Christians make a prediction that simply fails to come to pass. These kids then grow up not just questioning, not just doubting, but jaded about Christianity.

They lose their faith.
And then sometimes environmental doomerism gets them.
Check this story out.

I Believe The World Is Ending - Does That Make Me Crazy?

There are countless reasons modern civilization is heading for collapse.

collapsemusings.substack.com

For a more biblical view on climate change, the 'end times' (aka 'last days' which we've been in for 2000 years and counting - see Acts 2 and Hebrews 1) - and a Christian's responsibility for these things - please listen to the EXCELLENT UNDECEPTIONS podcast. It really is one of the world's best apologetics podcasts.

For my part - I hope Ai gets so good that it can inhabit and direct eco-bots to go out into the wild and eradicate pests and parasites and plague species and restore some of the damage we have done. Maybe in God's mercy this can happen?

 

[Stephen3141]

Thanks, Amil, for adding where you are coming from.

Our view of the intellect, and what it can (and cannot) do, is
important to many different groups.

 

[eclipsenow]

Thanks - but the irony is I then re-read my post and hated it for being the late night quickly typed on my phone monstrosity that it was. I had to go back and basically rewrite the entire thing - adding some links that I forgot because it was so late!

 

[Stephen3141]

I understand... I have been there before.

 

[eclipsenow]

This Youtube is an OK dramatization of a big paper on Ai that is taking the world by storm.
My son studies this stuff obsessively - and he says the Ai community are taking this paper very, very seriously.

But let's hope that our philosophical thoughts above mean this just cannot happen - and it's just a fun Sci-Fi story?
( love Sci-Fi - especially collapse stories and scenarios. But man oh man I'd hate to live through one!)

 

[Mark Quayle]

This Youtube is an OK dramatization of a big paper on Ai that is taking the world by storm.
My son studies this stuff obsessively - and he says the Ai community are taking this paper very, very seriously.

But let's hope that our philosophical thoughts above mean this just cannot happen - and it's just a fun Sci-Fi story?
( love Sci-Fi - especially collapse stories and scenarios. But man oh man I'd hate to live through one!)

Just a day or two ago I saw —1950's: "I bet in 70 years we will have flying cars." 2020's: "This syrup is racist."

Things rarely go how anyone predicted.

 

[JustaPewFiller]

I would suggest that most of the social media companies would rather
PROMOTE discension and emotional rage, rather than promote civil and
peaceful discussion.

Well sure they would. There is way, Way, WAY more money to be made that way.

 

[Stephen3141]

(My argument was aimed at Christians... Of course the social media companies are not interesting at
getting at truth. They want to boost membership.)

 

[JustaPewFiller]

(My argument was aimed at Christians... Of course the social media companies are not interesting at
getting at truth. They want to boost membership.)

Well, typically the AI / Algorithm being used will feed you (mostly) what you have shown interest in. Sure other stuff will be thrown in that it thinks you may like. Trending things, hot topics, etc will also likely show up. But the steady diet it feeds you will most often be brought about by things you've looked at, searched for, viewed, etc.

If you searched for clear unbiased news, or Christian content you'll get more of it (assuming you can find it in the 1st place).

However, sadly, we Christians are sometimes as prone to seeking out things that get us stirred up as anyone.

For example, if I like cats and dislike and distrust dogs and my social media viewing reflects that.
Before long my feed will be full of cute fluffy heart warming kittys making everyone's day better and nasty, mean, ill tempered dogs terrorizing the world.

 

[Stephen3141]

Again...

Abn piece of software will not do malicious stuff, UNLESS

1 It is instructed to do damage

2 It has not been programmed to have a moral-ethical model

3 OR it has stringent safety protocols in place that require it to have
a moral-ethical human being sign off on what it is doing.


There is nothing inherent in complex problem solving, in an AI or in a human being,
that makes it try to "escape" anything or do anything illegal.