If the Genesis creation is literal

[AV1611VET]

How so?

Please note that there is nothing in the word "prophecy" that implies "writing".

The context clarifies:

[bible]2 Peter 1:18-22[/bible]

 

[crawfish]

Had the Fall not occurred, this would be true; but God gave us a written Document of His existence, which is more than capable of satisfying the curiosity of His followers.

You must have a different Bible than me. Mine doesn't even remotely satisfy any scientific curiosity.

 

[shernren]

You must have a different Bible than me. Mine doesn't even remotely satisfy any scientific curiosity.

Yours isn't a 1611 KJV, you see.

 

[AV1611VET]

You must have a different Bible than me. Mine doesn't even remotely satisfy any scientific curiosity.

The Bible wasn't written to cater to "scientific curiosity".

It basically tells Who performed what miracle, and when.

How it happened is not the Bible's concern.

Had God had His Word written as a scientific tome, then science would have out-paced the Gospel, and Israel would have (possibly) been up against nuclear technology at Jerico and Ai.

 

[crawfish]

The Bible wasn't written to cater to "scientific curiosity".

It basically tells Who performed what miracle, and when.

How it happened is not the Bible's concern.

Had God had His Word written as a scientific tome, then science would have out-paced the Gospel, and Israel would have (possibly) been up against nuclear technology at Jerico and Ai.

Good points.

Why are we debating?

 

[Assyrian]

Yours isn't a 1611 KJV, you see.

Not the 1631 KJV?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does any have any views on this sites study on the poetry of Genesis and the Bible? Thanks.
Btw, I highly recommend this interlinear for the Hebrew OC of the Bible.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Genesis 5:5 And they are becoming all of days of Adam which he lives, nine hundreds year and-thirty year and he is dying [1 corin 15:22].

1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in the Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all shall be being made alive.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/23_genesis_1.html

When we read Genesis chapter one we usually see only one story there, but there are actually many stories. Why don't we see these multiple stories? Because we read the Hebrew Bible from a Modern Western thinkers point of view and not from an Ancient Eastern thinkers such as the Hebrews who wrote it. The Hebrews style of writing is prolific with a style of poetry unfamiliar to most readers of the Bible. This poetry is nothing like the poetry we are used to reading today and therefore it is invisible to us.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because we read the Hebrew Bible from a Modern Western thinkers point of view and not from an Ancient Eastern thinkers such as the Hebrews who wrote it. The Hebrews style of writing is prolific with a style of poetry unfamiliar to most readers of the Bible. This poetry is nothing like the poetry we are used to reading today and therefore it is invisible to us.

I don't read a Hebrew Bible, Lamb. I read an English one. Hebrew is foreign to me.

 

[theIdi0t]

I don't read a Hebrew Bible, Lamb. I read an English one. Hebrew is foreign to me.

Yes, we translate a Hebrew poem into English, and it is no longer a poem. Exactly. You nailed it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, we translate a Hebrew poem into English, and it is no longer a poem. Exactly. You nailed it.

Huh???

 

[Psudopod]

The point is, things will always be lost in transaltion. The peotic patterns of one language rarely ever maintain their rhythm when trasposed into another language.

 

[AV1611VET]

The point is, things will always be lost in transaltion. The peotic patterns of one language rarely ever maintain their rhythm when trasposed into another language.

God doesn't lose things like we do.

 

[Psudopod]

I'm sure He doesn't, but are you certain that the patterns, rythyms and rhymes of the hebrew poetry are all maintained in the english translation? Especially when you can't read the hebrew?

 

[Vambram]

The New Testament confirms, and also the Ten Commandments as well, the literalism of Genesis account of Creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sure He doesn't, but are you certain that the patterns, rythyms and rhymes of the hebrew poetry are all maintained in the english translation? Especially when you can't read the hebrew?

I couldn't care less if they were or not --- that was God's job, not mine.

Criticizing the Bible is tantamount to blasphemy, IMO.

Hebrew poetry does not - repeat: not - use rhythm and rhyme.

You have two types of English poetry:

• Compliments of time - (rhythm).
• Compliments of sound - (rhyme).

But in Hebrew poetry, you have neither of those. Instead, you have compliments (and contrasts) of ideas.

IOW, a verse of Hebrew poetry will state a fact, then repeat that fact, using different words.

Example:

[bible]Psalm 15:1[/bible]

(There are much better examples, but I don't have access to my resource material right now. I'm at the public library, not at home.)

 

[Nachtjager]

I couldn't care less if they were or not --- that was God's job, not mine.

Criticizing the Bible is tantamount to blasphemy, IMO.

Hebrew poetry does not - repeat: not - use rhythm and rhyme.

You have two types of English poetry:

• Compliments of time - (rhythm).
• Compliments of sound - (rhyme).

But in Hebrew poetry, you have neither of those. Instead, you have compliments (and contrasts) of ideas.

IOW, a verse of Hebrew poetry will state a fact, then repeat that fact, using different words.

Example:

[bible]Psalm 15:1[/bible]

(There are much better examples, but I don't have access to my resource material right now. I'm at the public library, not at home.)

Okay, this bugs me. Why is it everytime someone questions something about the Bible, someone like yourself automatically throws out the "blasphemy" flag?

God gave us brains as well as eyes and I'm sure He wants us to use them. When we see problems with the text of the Bible, and no matter how much of a heretic you think I am, there are MANY problems with OUR Bible, I think it is the responsibility of a true beleiver to get to the root of the problem.

As with so many religious types, you seem to come across that questioning anything in the Bible is not allowed "just because." Being a writer myself and working for an international publishing company, please allow me to say IT'S A BOOK! It's a book made by the hands of man, not by the finger of God! By default, it cannot be expected to be perfect, if it were, we ourselves would be equal to God, and that's just not possible, is it? Has man ever created ANYTHING perfect? IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!

Absolute denial turns a lot of people away from becoming Christians and accepting Christ. Please be more cautious in your criticism of those who are intelligent enough to be critical of the motivations of ancient scribes, who Jesus himself warned us about - "beware the lying pens of scribes."

We must seek out the oldest existent texts to see what was TRULY said and written, not what Popes and kings have decided should be said through the course of the last 1,800 years.

Sorry, this comment just got to me, peace be to ya' brother, take care and God bless.

 

[random_guy]

Ah ha ha ha! This is the most hilarious thing I've read all day (though I admit I have yet to visit Uncommon Descent). You go around telling people that they worship science, you add nothing to the discussion yourself, then you complain about the arrogance of others when they don't automatically accept your unsupported claims...and you expect me to believe that you're the "real scientist"? You remind me of "Dr." Kent Hovind more than Hawking or Dawkins.

Umm, you'd be surprised at who frequents the board. We have quite a few people with Ph.D.'s on both sides. I'm pretty sure that arunma is a real scientist with a Ph.D. in an area of physics, if I remember correctly. I can guarentee that arunma isn't a Dr. Hovind because his posts are very insight, and lack any advice on tax evasion.

And I have met some of the atheist that arunma talked about, but they'd be the minority. I suspect that those atheist that believe science and the Bible is incompatible number the same as the Creationists that seem like sock puppets.

But for the most part, most of the atheists on this board are very respectful and knowledgeable, and I wouldn't consider them worshiping science. I also think that even though they might not be studying science in school, they are still knowledgeable, or open to new ideas. If they weren't, or if they spouted off errors, the evolutionists would be quick to correct.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, this comment just got to me, peace be to ya' brother, take care and God bless.

Hi, Nachtjager! Thank you, and peace to you as well.

Let me give you an excellent piece of advice, bro:

• Ignore my posts! --- (Better yet, don't read them.)

If that bothers you so much, you'll be a nervous wreck if you read all my posts.

(Just ask people who know me what my old signature used to say! [On second thought --- don't])

God bless!