If the Discovery Institute Listened to Me

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Okay ... so MAYBE she padded the story.

So you're okay that she might very likely have lied.

 

[Bradskii]

Earth to Answers in Genesis: She said ALMOST BEDRIDDEN.

Ye gods and little fishes...

Reading the last few pages of this thread is time I'll never get back. Which is honestly frustrating. I kept going because I thought there might be a time when you actually got to some point you wanted to make. I kept thinking 'Surely this is going somewhere'. I thought that surely there'd be a conclusion. A 'therefore...' might emerge that would make all these posts worthwhile. But...nada.

So please tell me that you have more than just deathbed conversions. Please tell me that there is a reason behind this 'did he/did he not'. Because for the life of me I cannot see one.

The guy believed in God. Then he had some doubts. But maybe he took his last breaths asking God for forgiveness for all his sins. Maybe his last moments of clarity convinced him that there was no God. Or maybe he saw heaven waiting for him and embraced it whole heartedly.

What on earth has this got to do with his work? Please tell me. Please tell me there's a point to all this.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you're okay that she might very likely have lied.

No.

I don't think she would have had to.

And even if she did, we'll never know until later.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

No.

I don't think she would have had to.

And even if she did, we'll never know until later.

But if multiple sources say that what she said happened didn't transpire, along with the fact that it took her 30 years to publish her story, then really...

Big question though: why is this so important to you?

 

[AV1611VET]

What on earth has this got to do with his work? Please tell me. Please tell me there's a point to all this.

Don't have a nervous breakdown, chief.

Follow the trail.

This is about the veracity of the Lady Hope story.

I was challenged on it, and I'm defending it the best I can.

 

[Bradskii]

Don't have a nervous breakdown, chief.

Follow the trail.

This is about the veracity of the Lady Hope story.

I was challenged on it, and I'm defending it the best I can.

But you brought it up. Please tell me the reason for doing so. What on earth is all this about? Why does it matter whether Darwin had a death bed conversion or not?

 

[AV1611VET]

But if multiple sources say that what she said happened didn't transpire, along with the fact that it took her 30 years to publish her story, then really...

And Jesus didn't walk on water ... right?

I mean, multiple sources say that what was said didn't happen, along with the allegation that it was written some 30 years after the fact.

Big question though: why is this so important to you?

Follow the trail please.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you brought it up. Please tell me the reason for doing so. What on earth is all this about? Why does it matter whether Darwin had a death bed conversion or not?

Follow ... the ... trail ... please.

Don't have a nervous breakdown, or I'll feel bad.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And Jesus didn't walk on water ... right?

I mean, multiple sources say that what was said didn't happen, along with the allegation that it was written some 30 years after the fact.

Jesus walking on water is a miracle from the Bible. Kind of hard to refute since it's a miracle.

The Lady Hope story is a whole different matter.

Follow the trail please.

Or how about you just answer the question. I know that you say that you want Darwin to be in heaven, but it's still so weird that you have to vehemently defend this story, that has absolutely no bearing on you whatsoever.
How does it being proven wrong impact you at all?

 

[Bradskii]

Follow ... the ... trail ... please.

Don't have a nervous breakdown, or I'll feel bad.

I can't cope with this nonsense. Ignored...

 

[AV1611VET]

How does it being proven wrong impact you at all?

Post 168 please.

Fall ... oh ... the ... tray ... yill.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Post 168 please.

Fall ... oh ... the ... tray ... yill.

Post #168:

Beats me, Dan.

I seriously don't know what the issue is either.

But I like to think that Mr Darwin is in Heaven, not Hell.

Saying "I don't know why people are annoyed at me being annoying!" is not an answer.

You brought up the Lady Hope story and you keep trying to defend it as truth, even when you've been shown that it isn't truth. So at this point, you're either deadset on defending it and refuse to actually explain why, or your being a troll.

Forgot how to do my own quotes. whoops.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can't cope with this nonsense. Ignored...

Whew!

Reminds me of Morbius saying, "Locked in a sub-electronic dilemna between my direct orders and his basic inhibitions against harming rational human beings ... if I were allow to let that continue, he would blow every circuit in his body."

 

[AV1611VET]

You brought up the Lady Hope story and you keep trying to defend it as truth, even when you've been shown that it isn't truth.

Post 235 please.

Follow the trail.

Maybe you're convinced it isn't true, but until I'm convinced it isn't true, I'll go with "it's true."

And it'll be 90° in Siberia before I'm convinced it isn't true.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Post 235 please.

Follow the trail.

Maybe you're convinced it isn't true, but until I'm convinced it isn't true, I'll go with "it's true."

And it'll be 90° in Siberia before I'm convinced it isn't true.

So even though Darwin's own children said it wasn't true, Lady Hope's contemporaries saying it wasn't true, and modern historians saying it's not true, you want it to be true... BECAUSE WHY?!!?
Why is it so important to you that it has to be true?

 

[AV1611VET]

So even though Darwin's own children said it wasn't true,

Post 152 please.

Follow the trail.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Post 152 please.

Follow the trail.

Nope, not even remotely the same.

Please actually answer the question, because I'm getting sick of your games: So even though Darwin's own children said it wasn't true, Lady Hope's contemporaries saying it wasn't true, and modern historians saying it's not true, you want it to be true... BECAUSE WHY?!!?
Why is it so important to you that it has to be true?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Um ... she was summoned.

From your own Post 232:

Cotton: It was one of those glorious autumn afternoons, that we sometimes enjoy in England, when I was asked to go in and sit with the well known professor, Charles Darwin."

You even commented on it with a question:

Zone: And right off the bat we have a problem. Why would she have been invited to see Darwin? This is a question that needs to be answered.

And that makes no sense. Why would he "summon" her? That alone tells us that it probably was a lie. The rest of the evidence only confirms that.

Do you have any evidence at all, besides her very weak claim, that her story is true? You need to remember that lying for Jesus has been a problem with believers for quite some time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And Jesus didn't walk on water ... right?

I mean, multiple sources say that what was said didn't happen, along with the allegation that it was written some 30 years after the fact.Follow the trail please.

Matthew was written at least 40 years after the fact. And none of the Gospels appear to be eyewitness accounts. You are failing to properly follow the trails.

 

[AV1611VET]

So even though Darwin's own children said it wasn't true, Lady Hope's contemporaries saying it wasn't true, and modern historians saying it's not true,

... Wikipedia says it's "possibly true."

BECAUSE WHY?!!? Why is it so important to you that it has to be true?

Post 210.

Follow the trail please.