If no one comes from the future to stop you doing it how bad of a decision can it really be?

[Mark Quayle]

Yes, for an omnipotent God both these time-frame-references are possible.
It must have been an interesting “moment” when God first became Self-aware, huh?

What makes you think that God became anything, nevermind becoming self-aware?

 

[Pommer]

I expect you mean, that we have no way to anchor anything to the term, "still".

Funny how words don't always mean the same thing. Observing is difficult at the speed of light.

Yes, because, at c, time (effectively) doesn’t “exist”. Observation requires “time”.

And nothing anyone observes has failed to have already happened.

That we know of. Yes.

 

[Pommer]

What makes you think that God became anything, nevermind becoming self-aware?

I was speaking rhetorically seeings as I don’t cotton to there actually being a god.

 

[Pommer]

'Existence', as we understand it, hardly describes him. 'Existence', in fact gets its meaning from him. He is not subject to the principle we know of as existence. That is just our word.

He is not subject to our notions of reality. He "invented" reality. The Omni is HIS arrangement of things. These are HIS facts —or he is not God.

Okay lemme put it this way, if god were to suddenly stop “existing” would we “notice”?

 

[Strong in Him]

If no one comes from the future to stop you doing it how bad of a decision can it really be?

No one will ever come from the future because time travel is impossible.

 

[Stephen3141]

God revealed to us, his moral Code.
This code comes from outside of time and space.
Your question is answered.

If you want a moral babysitter who tries to stop you from doing
anything evil, that is not the free will that God gave to us.

 

[partinobodycular]

God revealed to us, his moral Code.

I would argue that He did a very poor job of it. Just comparing the OT to the NT should make that abundantly clear.

 

[Strong in Him]

I would argue that He did a very poor job of it. Just comparing the OT to the NT should make that abundantly clear.

How so?

The 10 commandments were given in the OT, thousands of years ago. Yet Jesus affirmed them and didn't say they were out of date or no longer necessary.
2000+ years later, a lot of people seem to at least know about them, and some of our laws - do not steal, do not kill - are built on them. It was not God's plan for us that we commit adultery - some people do, and get into all kinds of mess as a result.

 

[Bobber]

If no one comes from the future to stop you doing it how bad of a decision can it really be?

Kind of a nutty question really. But for fun how about this? The one from the future saw indeed your decision was bad.....effected a lot of people in a bad way.......BUT......there's always a percentage that the spin off of that bad decision for them personally was advantageous. So then you have ulterior motives from the future one that are not quite noble. Guess it all depends on who controls the time machine eh?

 

[partinobodycular]

The 10 commandments were given in the OT, thousands of years ago. Yet Jesus affirmed them and didn't say they were out of date or no longer necessary.

So are you implying that the 10 commandments are the extent of God's moral code? If so then me thinks that Christians have pushed their moral principals a bit too far. If not, then me thinks that the examples set in the OT stand in pretty stark contrast to the "love thy neighbor" commandment proclaimed in the NT.

 

[Strong in Him]

So are you implying that the 10 commandments are the extent of God's moral code?

Not at all.
Jesus affirmed the 10 commandments, but he also told us to treat others as we would want to be treated, to love our neighbours as ourselves and to forgive our enemies.

If not, then me thinks that the examples set in the OT stand in pretty stark contrast to the "love thy neighbor" commandment proclaimed in the NT.

Of the 10 commandments, the final 6 are about loving your neighbour. People who stole from their neighbours, or committed adultery with other men's wives had to atone and pay compensation. They lived in a community; those who sinned against the community were punished, and if the community sinned, sacrifices had to be offered.

This was God's law and what he intended. But, as today, people didn't keep it. They let their feelings and desires take over, they did what they wanted because they didn't honour God. Some of them even committed incest.
Jesus said that they had been taught "an eye for an eye ...." to try to prevent extreme revenge. For example, a daughter gets raped and, as punishment, the rapists entire family gets wiped out - which was what was happening in some cases.

It's not, and never was, God's law that's wrong - it's that people don't believe in/honour God and don't want to keep it.
Certainly today there is a "don't tell me what to do/the Bible's old fashioned/God's not real, I am in control", type attitude.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Why are we not “allowed” to be ignorant of “what caused all this”?

We are.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I was speaking rhetorically seeings as I don’t cotton to there actually being a god.

Rhetorically is a problem here. Your conjecture supposes something false. Anthropomorphism.

Okay lemme put it this way, if god were to suddenly stop “existing” would we “notice”?

It is a bogus question. The notion that God can stop "existing" assumes that 'existence' itself depends on something else, and not on God. If he is first cause, for him to cease to exist would necessarily imply that we would never even have existed.

 

[partinobodycular]

Jesus affirmed the 10 commandments, but he also told us to treat others as we would want to be treated, to love our neighbours as ourselves and to forgive our enemies.

So what about things like... say homosexuality. I don't see it mentioned in the 10 commandments, and I don't see how it falls under the edict of "love thy neighbor", so how did that come to be immoral?

 

[Strong in Him]

So what about things like... say homosexuality. I don't see it mentioned in the 10 commandments, and I don't see how it falls under the edict of "love thy neighbor", so how did that come to be immoral?

The OT and NT do talk about homosexuality in a negative way.
That it's not mentioned in the 10 commandments backs up what I said; that the 10 commandments are not the extent of our moral code. Other things, like abortion, are not mentioned either. Then there are all kinds of other debates - whether or not someone should wear fur, eat meat, own a gun, be allowed to help someone else die, have a right to own 2 houses, several cars etc and issues around how we spend/use our money.

 

[Bradskii]

A barely related, very relatable, link, and funny:

International Association of Time Travelers: Members’ Forum
Subforum: Europe – Twentieth Century – Second World War
Page 263

Wikihistory - Reactor

Wikihistory by Desmond Warzel

www.tor.com

Just came across this thread. That is so funny.