My other thread, http://www.christianforums.com/t7594723/, was veering off topic and toward this.
Given that
A) Jesus will forgive all my sins the moment that I accept him
B) 70 Earth years of knowing God is not much when you compare it to Infinity of knowing God in heaven
Why wouldn't I wait till the very last to acknowledge Jesus and go to heaven?
I've taken the liberty of copying drich's answer to one of my posts. I'm sure he can forgive me for doing it without asking him first.
<quote>
"Again, please give me the passages where I must accept Jesus and have a relationship through Christ before I can get in?"
Mat7:21-23
</quote>
No, this passage do not say that. God may have inspired Matthew to update the covenant to prevent people like Jimmy Swaggart and Catholics priests from going to heaven. Why wouldn't God just strike these people down instead of letting them misusing His name in driving out demons?
<quote>
"Are you saying that I can't get into heaven even after I truly accept Jesus in my heart but didn't have enough time to know him?"
Are you saying that You can?
</quote>
Yes! Jesus said accepted Him and my ticket is stamped. Coupled that with "Seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall received" and I will spend the eternity with him.
<quote>
There is only one recorded death bed conversion in the bible and this man was not in a bed but hanging next to Christ on a cross. That is what it took for him to truly come to genuine repentance. Most "death beds" are not so equip.
again a death bed conversion is not impossible, but as the bible records is the exception and not the rule.
</quote>
Maybe I should copy and paste all the "Bible didn't say but that doesn't mean it didn't happen" replies to my various threads.
<quote>
Are you willing to live a life of rebellion on the off chance that you will live long enough to see your death bed? Even if you are the one in a million and do get in. the bible says that those who enter without a relationship enter like one escaping from a fire. (They have nothing stored up) Basically you will be Heaven's equivalent of a homeless person. Why would you want to spend an eternity with nothing to show for your time? Yes you may have escaped hell, but that is it. Or again did you think you would enter Heaven on your technicality as a saint?
</quote>
I don't want to be a saint nor do I want to be in Hell. If deathbed conversion is unacceptable, what about when I have terminal cancer? When I approach 50? 40? Where does the Bible draw the line? If it does, why would I convert, alienate my family and may not even get the chance to go heaven?
<quote>
"Do you think God a fool? do you think He is bound to your understanding of His law? If your heart has you lead a wicked mans life for 50 or 60 years what will make you change just before you die? In a word it is fear. Fear of being held accountable for your deeds. Fear is not Love. Love for the Lord is our greatest command if you do not have an all encompassing love for God then your "proclamation" will go no higher than the ceiling of the room you will die in. you may have fooled yourself but you have not nor will you ever fool God."
</quote>
Again, please quote me a passage that the deal is only valid if I accept Jesus out of love and not fear. As long as I truly repent, my ticket is just as good as yours. I may not get window seat, but I still get a seat. 70 Earth years may seem long for you, but it's a blink of an eye for God and it's nothing when compared it to infinity.
<quote>
Heb 4:
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
</quote>
This would only apply if I lied. Again, if I truly repent, whether it's love for Jesus, fear of Hell, or the sweet red-headed girl that went to heaven before me, my ticket is stamped as per Jesus's promise.
Given that
A) Jesus will forgive all my sins the moment that I accept him
B) 70 Earth years of knowing God is not much when you compare it to Infinity of knowing God in heaven
Why wouldn't I wait till the very last to acknowledge Jesus and go to heaven?
I've taken the liberty of copying drich's answer to one of my posts. I'm sure he can forgive me for doing it without asking him first.
<quote>
"Again, please give me the passages where I must accept Jesus and have a relationship through Christ before I can get in?"
Mat7:21-23
</quote>
No, this passage do not say that. God may have inspired Matthew to update the covenant to prevent people like Jimmy Swaggart and Catholics priests from going to heaven. Why wouldn't God just strike these people down instead of letting them misusing His name in driving out demons?
<quote>
"Are you saying that I can't get into heaven even after I truly accept Jesus in my heart but didn't have enough time to know him?"
Are you saying that You can?
</quote>
Yes! Jesus said accepted Him and my ticket is stamped. Coupled that with "Seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall received" and I will spend the eternity with him.
<quote>
There is only one recorded death bed conversion in the bible and this man was not in a bed but hanging next to Christ on a cross. That is what it took for him to truly come to genuine repentance. Most "death beds" are not so equip.
again a death bed conversion is not impossible, but as the bible records is the exception and not the rule.
</quote>
Maybe I should copy and paste all the "Bible didn't say but that doesn't mean it didn't happen" replies to my various threads.
<quote>
Are you willing to live a life of rebellion on the off chance that you will live long enough to see your death bed? Even if you are the one in a million and do get in. the bible says that those who enter without a relationship enter like one escaping from a fire. (They have nothing stored up) Basically you will be Heaven's equivalent of a homeless person. Why would you want to spend an eternity with nothing to show for your time? Yes you may have escaped hell, but that is it. Or again did you think you would enter Heaven on your technicality as a saint?
</quote>
I don't want to be a saint nor do I want to be in Hell. If deathbed conversion is unacceptable, what about when I have terminal cancer? When I approach 50? 40? Where does the Bible draw the line? If it does, why would I convert, alienate my family and may not even get the chance to go heaven?
<quote>
"Do you think God a fool? do you think He is bound to your understanding of His law? If your heart has you lead a wicked mans life for 50 or 60 years what will make you change just before you die? In a word it is fear. Fear of being held accountable for your deeds. Fear is not Love. Love for the Lord is our greatest command if you do not have an all encompassing love for God then your "proclamation" will go no higher than the ceiling of the room you will die in. you may have fooled yourself but you have not nor will you ever fool God."
</quote>
Again, please quote me a passage that the deal is only valid if I accept Jesus out of love and not fear. As long as I truly repent, my ticket is just as good as yours. I may not get window seat, but I still get a seat. 70 Earth years may seem long for you, but it's a blink of an eye for God and it's nothing when compared it to infinity.
<quote>
Heb 4:
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account."
</quote>
This would only apply if I lied. Again, if I truly repent, whether it's love for Jesus, fear of Hell, or the sweet red-headed girl that went to heaven before me, my ticket is stamped as per Jesus's promise.