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Put yourself in their shoes. A supreme, powerful being told them not to do something.Yes, God told them not to eat from the tree... but how did they know that disobeying God was wrong before they had knowledge of right and wrong?
You and the poster you responded to obviously did not read chapter one of Genesis.
God created the world, and all the things in it, and declared it all good. Then, sin entered the world.
What, you guys never heard of original sin?
Of course, since belief in an actual devil is passé these days, maybe you haven't. I'll summarize:
1. God created the world and the people in it. Everything was perfect.
2. Satan snookered man into disobeying God, and the world became corrupt.
3. Satan continues to snooker man right up to the present day (man really isn't all that terribly bright, although he likes to think that he is), and the world is still corrupt.
4. God devised a way for man to avoid spending eternity in awful torment with Satan by sending us a Redeemer, Jesus Christ.
5. Even though man can be redeemed from hell by faith in Christ, the world is still corrupted by original sin, and will remain so until time comes to an end.
Heterosexual couples have no danger of any of this stuff if they are using the sexual faculty in the proper way and for the purpose that God created it to used for. In other words, anal sex is, in its own way, just as much a perversion as homosexual sex is. But that shouldn't be surprising. You don't stick soup spoons in your ear, do you?
Put yourself in their shoes. A supreme, powerful being told them not to do something.
Translation: you know the “lengthy list” contains references that are just as false as the first ones you put up.
However many are unwilling to actually look at claims made by the religious right and test them with facts and confront them with truth
And as I said: many are unable to distinguish between truth coming from God, and untruth coming from Satan, in no small part because the untruth coming from Satan is what they personally wish to embrace and legitimize.
Now I normally don't stand up for the homosexual crowd, while I have a few gay friends, I find the majority of them walk around and act the way they do to paint some sort of banner on themselves to justify their orientation. I can't stand gay men who act more feminine than women, my first reaction is to want to beat them to death.
For God gave man the freedom to sin, because he loved us and trusted us so much.
Gosh. o_0
I can't imagine why they'd provoke such a strong reaction. They're just being themselves, or following fashion, like everyone else. If that's how they feel comfortable, what's the problem?
It's just extremely annoying to me as a person, it isn't the fact that they are gay. Heterosexual men doing the same thing would annoy me equally as much, I just can't stand the whole froo-froo limp wristed attitude, the non-stop talking, the lisp, it's just a stereotype, but one that alot of homosexuals promote by fitting said stereotype. On the other hand, I have a friend who is flaming gay, but you would have to know him really well to have suspicions of that. He's a black belt in Tae Kwan Do and participates professionally, and his boyfriend is in the army.
A supremely powerful being would of course known what would happen.Put yourself in their shoes. A supreme, powerful being told them not to do something.
The only thing that happened to the claims you provided was that just a few of the false statements they contained were confronted. Why shouldnt people look at claims? Test them? Research the science of claims? And confront claims shown to be false?No, the translation is that I know any data, from any source, will be rejected by some posters
if that data in any way views homosexuality as anything other than completely normal, wonderful, and beneficial.
And still you knowingly presented false information knowing that the fabrications and misrepresentations of Diggs and Cameron would be confronted with the truth(shrug) We've all played this game before.
And as I said: many are unable to distinguish between truth coming from God, and untruth coming from Satan, in no small part because the untruth coming from Satan is what they personally wish to embrace and legitimize.
I have just as many sins, failings, and perversions as anyone else. The difference is that I recognize my sins, failings, and perversions for what they are, I don't try to sanitize them and make them into the opposite of what they are, and I don't demand that society tolerate my sins, failings, and perversions or be labelled "hatemongers".
Perhaps YOU are the one unable to distinguish between your values, and that other people have values that aren't shared by you. Your views work for you, but not for everyone else.
It's bigoted arrogance that you would force your views on the rest of the world when they aren't hurting anybody.
There are productive and happy homosexuals out there that live normal lives
if you don't like it, then that is YOUR problem, deal with it, tough.
The bottom line is, I'm tired of having the drive-by media and militant gay groups shove homosexuality down my throat. I'm tired of encountering it constantly on TV, in movies, in newspapers, on radio, in magazines, on billboards, in two males or females swapping spit in public parks. I have no wish to be exposed to their errant behavior and I don't wish for my children to be exposed to it either.
But if they're buggering one another, old boy, that isn't "normal". Thats what you all refuse to see.
You don’t think presenting and then defending the false statements of Diggs and Cameron is offensive to God?From your viewpoint, that's quite true. I am more concerned with not offending God than I am with not offending man, however.
If you were opposed to civil rights for blacks what would that be?So, in other words then, if I oppose legitmizing homosexual behavior in all forms, then I am attempting to force my views on the rest of the world, and that's bigoted arrogance and bad.
Those bad minorities. Wanting the same rights and legal protections you enjoy.However, if homosexuals attempt to force their views on the rest of the world (or even just those with a conservative Judeo-Christian faith), then that's tolerance and inclusiveness, and that's good.
I am reminded about a book on the hisotryof the television show Star Trek. I think it was written by David Gerrold, one of the shows writers. In it he explains that the characters Lt Uhura and Lt Sulu were purposefully not shown on camera for the first three episodes because of threats by numerous NBC affiliates in the deep south not wanting their viewers offended by the presence of minorities being portrayed as equals to the white characters. After their first appearance 18 affiliates in the south refused to air the show, they didn’t want the civil rights agenda shoved down their viewers throats. Or worse have their children exposed to such a thingAgain, we have played this game before. The bottom line is, I'm tired of having the drive-by media and militant gay groups shove homosexuality down my throat. I'm tired of encountering it constantly on TV, in movies, in newspapers, on radio, in magazines, on billboards, in two males or females swapping spit in public parks. I have no wish to be exposed to their errant behavior and I don't wish for my children to be exposed to it either.
And there are people “disgusted” by interracial marriage and the implied sex acts those couples engage in. does this give them the right to discriminate against interracial or push an agenda of discrimination against such couples?But if they're buggering one another, old boy, that isn't "normal". Thats what you all refuse to see.
That is comforting. So what happens if the children grow up and don’t share your personal prejudices?I'd say you're absolutely correct. It may yet come to the point where I simply have to take my family and withdraw from this culture, like the Amish.
You obviously did not read the article.
I'm afraid you don't have a right not to be offended.
I find certain music very unpleasant, but I don't wish to see it banned to protect my delicate sensibilities.
Yes it is. Heterosexuals bugger one another too, you know.
And lesbians, I suppose, don't bugger one another very often at all, so they must be the epitome of normal.
Your argument comes down to "Ew, it's icky!" Luckily, laws aren't usually made on the basis of your personal dislikes.
You don’t think presenting and then defending the false statements of Diggs and Cameron is offensive to God?
If you were opposed to civil rights for blacks what would that be?
If you were opposed to freedom of worship for Hindus or Jews what would that be?
Those bad minorities. Wanting the same rights and legal protections you enjoy.
And there are people “disgusted” by interracial marriage and the implied sex acts those couples engage in. does this give them the right to discriminate against interracial or push an agenda of discrimination against such couples?
That is comforting. So what happens if the children grow up and don’t share your personal prejudices?
From your viewpoint, that's quite true. I am more concerned with not offending God than I am with not offending man, however.
So, in other words then, if I oppose legitmizing homosexual behavior in all forms, then I am attempting to force my views on the rest of the world, and that's bigoted arrogance and bad. However, if homosexuals attempt to force their views on the rest of the world (or even just those with a conservative Judeo-Christian faith), then that's tolerance and inclusiveness, and that's good.
Again, we have played this game before. The bottom line is, I'm tired of having the drive-by media and militant gay groups shove homosexuality down my throat. I'm tired of encountering it constantly on TV, in movies, in newspapers, on radio, in magazines, on billboards, in two males or females swapping spit in public parks. I have no wish to be exposed to their errant behavior and I don't wish for my children to be exposed to it either.
If there was no hatred then there would be no need for anti-hate laws.Amazingly enough, neither do homosexuals. But I notice that heterosexuals aren't the ones running around trying to legislate "anti-hate" laws.
But she doesn’t promote discrimination against those who listen to such music. Nor does she justify lies about people who listen to music she does not likeBut you do take action on a personal level to lessen or eliminate your exposure to it, no doubt.
Christianity has a long tradition of racism and anti-Semitism. Does that tradition make discrimination acceptable?Again, not if they're using the sexual faculty properly according to both nature and traditional Judeo-Christian teaching.
I think you might be referring to Gen 38:6-10. Here the sin was not masturbation but rather coitus interruptis. God placed a high priority on the need for widows without male children to be raped until they conceived and while Onan was more than willing to rape his sister in law he was unwilling to father a child that society would not consider to be his and therefore engaged in a rather unreliable form of birth control coitus interruptis where he spilled his seed on the ground. God saw this as not fulfilling his duty and killed him.The same body of teaching covers aspects such as [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and masturbatory practices.
Militant agenda meaning a minority doesn’t happily accept discrimination and violence against them by people who choose to hate. How horrible of them!They didn't used to be made on the basis of tiny segments of the population with militant agendas, either; but that's changed with the new religion of Political Correctness and its triune god, Tolerance, Diversity, and Multiculturalism.
Making up data and lying about what legitimate researches say is evidence of truth to you?First, you haven't convinced me that they're false.
Your faith teaches you that false witness against a minority is a good and noble thing?Secondly, they fall closer in line of what my faith teaches me is the mind of God than what you're espousing.
Racists disagree with you.False dichotomy. Traditional Christian teaching does not place race into a sinful category of behavior.
i would ask you to provide evidence that sexual orientation is a choice. But considering you don’t care for truth in matters of science I doubt it would profit anybody.You can't choose not to be black. But you can choose not to engage in homosexual behavior.
Again not the point. If you were opposed to civil rights for Hindus or Jews would that not be bigotry?Another false dichotomy. My Church teaches that religious faith (unless it involves some other form of sinful behavior, such as human sacrifice or worship of devils or some such), is not a sin. Those who are not believers in Christ, however, are, to quote the Vatican, in "a deficient salvational situation".
Please answer the question:See above.
All I can do is to try to teach them right from wrong, and to pass on my faith as best I can. Ultimately, they will have to make their own decisions as do we all. My deepest hope would be that they will follow the beliefs of their mother and myself; but if they are more influenced by the errors of the present age than by the faith as preserved by the Catholic Church, then all I can do is pray for their souls. Nobody's ultimate salvation is within my power to grant or deny anyway, not even my children's. That capacity is reserved to God alone.
Amazingly enough, neither do homosexuals. But I notice that heterosexuals aren't the ones running around trying to legislate "anti-hate" laws.
But you do take action on a personal level to lessen or eliminate your exposure to it, no doubt.
Again, not if they're using the sexual faculty properly according to both nature and traditional Judeo-Christian teaching.
The same body of teaching covers aspects such as [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and masturbatory practices.
They didn't used to be made on the basis of tiny segments of the population with militant agendas, either; but that's changed with the new religion of Political Correctness and its triune god, Tolerance, Diversity, and Multiculturalism.
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