If man is evolving, why is there still war?

[AV1611VET]

If I was drafted I would dodge, and recommend to any kids who asked to do the same.

Maybe someone will try to make a bible case for it. I could be wrong.

My pastor was a conscientious objector, but he went in the Army anyway.

He was given duty as a mail clerk in an Army hospital.

My dad insisted I join the Navy, and I went in right out of high school.

I served as a Radioman and got to send a CEASE FIRE message to the ships that were on our frequencies.

It was a blessed experience!

 

[dad]

My pastor was a conscientious objector, but he went in the Army anyway.

He was given duty as a mail clerk in an Army hospital.

My dad insisted I join the Navy, and I went in right out of high school.

I served as a Radioman and got to send a CEASE FIRE message to the ships that were on our frequencies.

It was a blessed experience!

In a war culture where there is little option BUT to somehow join the war machine and try to smile about it, I can see how folks do what they need to.

However what I am asking is if it is right or not. If the drone operator who sent the hellfire bomb that killed the kid's parents in my scenario...thought he was doing God's will...why would I believe her or him?

 

[stevevw]

Its thanks to certain worldly organizations like the UN and Nato who justify war in the name of being morally right and in the name of peace. The truth is corrupted behind closed doors and then they try to convince everyone that they are taking their actions in the name of justice and the right thing to do. So most people believe them and support their actions. But at the end of the day pig slop is pig slop even if you present it on a gold platter. They are doing the same thing as the people they accuse of terror. Except they make their actions seem justified.

The UN and other organizations like this and our so called democratic free world governments have done more damage to world peace and caused as many problems as any terrorist organization. This worlds version of peace and truth is different to Gods. Jesus said He is the truth and He shines a light on the darkness of mens hearts and exposes their sin and corruption. Jesus is the prince of peace and only His truth can truly set us free.

 

[TLK Valentine]

In a war culture where there is little option BUT to somehow join the war machine and try to smile about it, I can see how folks do what they need to.

However what I am asking is if it is right or not. If the drone operator who sent the hellfire bomb that killed the kid's parents in my scenario...thought he was doing God's will...why would I believe her or him?

Because it was God's will -- and who are you to question God?

 

[HonestTruth]

If I was drafted I would dodge, and recommend to any kids who asked to do the same.

Maybe someone will try to make a bible case for it. I could be wrong.

Contrary to ''Christian'' teaching there are four exemptions from the military draft according to the Bible:


if one has built a new house, is engaged or newly married, planted a new vineyard, or declares he is afraid of battle. See Deuteronomy 20:5-8.




How many "Christian" institutions teach that?

 

[AV1611VET]

Contrary to ''Christian'' teaching there are four exemptions from the military draft according to the Bible:

if one has built a new house, is engaged or newly married, planted a new vineyard, or declares he is afraid of battle. See Deuteronomy 20:5-8.

Deuteronomy 20:5 And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it.
Deuteronomy 20: 6 And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it.
Deuteronomy 20:7 And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her.
Deuteronomy 20:8 And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.

I wouldn't exactly call those "exemptions from the military draft."

1. After the new house is dedicated, it's time to go fight.
2. After the vineyard is eaten from, it's time to go fight.
3. After the honeymoon, it's time to go fight.
4. The man would have to prove "fearful & fainthearted," possibly by exhibiting a fear of animals and whatnot.

How many "Christian" institutions teach that?

I'm with you on this point.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I wouldn't exactly call those "exemptions from the military draft."

1. After the new house is dedicated, it's time to go fight.
2. After the vineyard is eaten from, it's time to go fight.
3. After the honeymoon, it's time to go fight.
4. The man would have to prove "fearful & fainthearted," possibly by exhibiting a fear of animals and whatnot.

In the cases of 1-3, that's a pretty good incentive to procrastinate, isn't it?

n the case of 4, how hard is it to fake?

 

[AV1611VET]

In the cases of 1-3, that's a pretty good incentive to procrastinate, isn't it?

I think procrastinators would stand out in a crowd, don't you?

n the case of 4, how hard is it to fake?

So the solution is to make the truly fearful & fainthearted go to war, because some low-lifes are bucking the system?

And how long can they fake it anyway?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think procrastinators would stand out in a crowd, don't you?

So do conscientious objectors. Do they want to have principles anonymously?

So the solution is to make the truly fearful & fainthearted go to war, because some low-lifes are bucking the system?

Of course not -- the truly fearful and fainthearted aren't going either -- they're fearful and fainthearted, remember?

And how long can they fake it anyway?

Cpl. Klinger wore dresses for 7 1/2 seasons...

How long would you stand up (or stand down, in this case) for something you believed in?

 

[AV1611VET]

So do conscientious objectors. Do they want to have principles anonymously?

Of course not -- the truly fearful and fainthearted aren't going either -- they're fearful and fainthearted, remember?

Cpl. Klinger wore dresses for 7 1/2 seasons...

How long would you stand up (or stand down, in this case) for something you believed in?

Does this conversation have an UP button on its elevator?

I think we can safely assume you would be exempt from leading Israel into the Promised Land.

Let a Joshua handle it.

 

[dad]

Because it was God's will -- and who are you to question God?

If you are suggesting that the dron in this scenario that killed the mom and dad of the little child, and took their arms off was God's will, I will say it isn't God that asked the US to sent the drone. You can't blame God.

 

[dad]

Contrary to ''Christian'' teaching there are four exemptions from the military draft according to the Bible:


if one has built a new house, is engaged or newly married, planted a new vineyard, or declares he is afraid of battle. See Deuteronomy 20:5-8.




How many "Christian" institutions teach that?

NO!!! That is false. You are mixing apples with oranges. In the past God had a nation and THEY were then told to fight. The US is not God's nation, not Canada, Mexico, Russia, China etc etc! Do not tell me that because Israel had to fight, that this somehow means God wants us to join the military now.

No.


No.


No.

 

[dad]

In the cases of 1-3, that's a pretty good incentive to procrastinate, isn't it?

n the case of 4, how hard is it to fake?

Jesus never told His apostles to do what ancient Israel did, on the contrary. You can't try to pin that warmongering stuff on us.

 

[dad]

Does this conversation have an UP button on its elevator?

I think we can safely assume you would be exempt from leading Israel into the Promised Land.

Let a Joshua handle it.

God gave us no promised land in this present world to go to. We are strangers here. Our promised land is far away on a golden strand. If our land was here THEN we would fight!

 

[AV1611VET]

God gave us no promised land in this present world to go to. We are strangers here. Our promised land is far away on a golden strand. If our land was here THEN we would fight!

As my pastor points out, we are in the Promised Land now.

If the Promised Land was Heaven, then Moses died lost.

Heaven is our final resting place.

In addition, the Promised Land in the Old Testament was a place of near-constant warfare.

And if the Promised Land in the Old Testament was a type of Heaven in the New then, Houston, we have a problem.

 

[PsychoSarah]

NO!!! That is false. You are mixing apples with oranges. In the past God had a nation and THEY were then told to fight. The US is not God's nation, not Canada, Mexico, Russia, China etc etc! Do not tell me that because Israel had to fight, that this somehow means God wants us to join the military now.

No.


No.


No.

I agree with your sentiment, it isn't as if OT god didn't have specific targets in mind.

 

[PsychoSarah]

As my pastor points out, we are in the Promised Land now.

If the Promised Land was Heaven, then Moses died lost.

Heaven is our final resting place.

In addition, the Promised Land in the Old Testament was a place of near-constant warfare.

And if the Promised Land in the Old Testament was a type of Heaven in the New then, Houston, we have a problem.

The Old Testament is kinda meh on the afterlife. I wouldn't say a place of constant warfare, but it had some similarities to how the Greeks viewed what the afterlife was like for the majority of people that died: an underworld place of absolute mehness where you just kinda existed.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Old Testament is kinda meh on the afterlife.

Hell in Old Testament times consisted of two places: Hell proper & Paradise, separated by a "great gulf" -- possibly the "bottomless pit" mentioned in Revelation.

Every Old Testament saint that died went to Paradise, also known as "Captivity", to await the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Those who died lost went to Hell proper.

Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

When Jesus resurrected, He took Paradise to Heaven.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

This is why He told Mary not to touch Him.

John 20:17a Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

Notice here in the Old Testament, where the witch of Endor had to call Samuel "up" out of Paradise?

1 Samuel 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

But in the New Testament, after the Resurrection, Paul went "up" to Paradise.

2 Corinthians 12:4a How that he was caught up into paradise,

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hell in Old Testament times consisted of two places: Hell proper & Paradise, separated by a "great gulf" -- possibly the "bottomless pit" mentioned in Revelation.

Every Old Testament saint that died went to Paradise, also known as "Captivity", to await the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Those who died lost went to Hell proper.

When Jesus resurrected, He took Paradise to Heaven.

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

This is why He told Mary not to touch Him.

John 20:17a Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

Notice here in the Old Testament, where the witch of Endor had to call Samuel "up" out of Paradise?

1 Samuel 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

But in the New Testament, after the Resurrection, Paul went "up" to Paradise.

2 Corinthians 12:4a How that he was caught up into paradise,

You do realize that the Greek underworld had a good and bad section too, right? But to be frank, so little is said about the "paradise" side that I can't make much of it, other than it couldn't have been a paradise like heaven, otherwise nothing would have changed in regards to the afterlife between the OT and the NT. This lack of detail is actually why the idea of purgatory, or limbo, developed. Hence why I consider it to be "mehness".

Your own quotes do not match your suggestion that it was a place of conflict though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your own quotes do not match your suggestion that it was a place of conflict though.

Sarah, the Promised Land in the Old Testament was a piece of real estate that went from, as the Bible calls it, "Dan, even unto Beersheba" from north to south; and went from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea from east to west.

Known also as Canaan, then later, Israel.

Paradise was in the heart of the earth, next to Hell proper.