If Lucifer left Heaven, can anyone?

[Baltazar]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

 

[d taylor]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

One, the devils home was never heaven it was the earth.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

Two, people do not spend eternity in heaven up in the sky. They will spend eternity on the new earth and actually some believers will never go to heaven. They will go from the Messianic kingdom on earth to the new earth.

 

[trophy33]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

Nobody wants to leave heaven. Satan was kicked out of it and fought hard to stay there.

"Jesus replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
Lk 10:18

Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray.
Rev 12: 7-9

Before the coming of Jesus, satan was in heaven, you can see it for example in Job 2:1.

 

[d taylor]

Nobody wants to leave heaven. Satan was kicked out of it and fought hard to stay there.

"Jesus replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."
Lk 10:18

Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray.
Rev 12: 7-9

Before the coming of Jesus, satan was in heaven, you can see it for example in Job 2:1.

satan home was never heaven, he had access to heaven. And actually now he is the roaming the earth and is the prince and power of the air (sky)

 

[trophy33]

satan home was never heaven, he had access to heaven. And actually now he is the roaming the earth and is the prince and power of the air (sky)

You can believe that, but your view is not the same as of the mainstream Christianity.

 

[d taylor]

You can believe that, but its not a mainstream Christianity.

The mainstream Christianity believes satan is a fallen archangel.

Right and mainstream believes in a lot of ideas that are not supported by The Bible, when actually looked into.

Like a salvation prayer, or a globe earth, etc...

 

[trophy33]

... Like a globe earth, etc...

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

That's a relevant question and I'm not sure that any of us can offer a definitive answer, but my brief thoughts on an answer to it circle around what we think the intentions God may be in offering to us the benefits of "the Resurrection."

I think the question is this: In the Resurrection, is it God's fullest intention to merely transform us and remake us into beings like the angels, OR does God intend to go a little further and join us to, and somehow make us 'like,' Jesus Christ in Eternity?

I don't know. But if we could find an answer it might go some way in answering your pertinent question.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

Welcome to CF. A common mistake is to attribute the name Lucifer to Satan. Not the same entity. Lucifer is the "morning star" attributed to some pompous and prideful, fallen and disgraced ruler found in Isaiah 14:12.
Now to your original post, Satan the devil was cast out of heaven. He can do nothing without God's will or permission. That goes for anyone else in heaven.
Be blessed.

 

[eleos1954]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

Nobody comes and goes from heaven unless God says so ... period... angels are the only ones he allows to do so ... but again only as he allows/commands.

Lucifer and the 1/3 were expelled from heaven (by God) .... ie gave up their abode (where they lived) ... their new "home" became planet earth. Because Adam forfeited his dominion of earth over to satan when he sinned ... the dominion of planet earth is under satan (util Jesus returns)

Angels and humans are different types of created beings. We do not have the capabilities that angels have (yet). Will we? (unknown)

When Jesus became human (incarnation) being both God and man .... he will remain as such and we will dwell with Him ... in heaven and later on the new earth.

When we are resurrected from the grave we will be human given a new body (like Jesus), but will eat from the tree
of life in heaven and onwards throughout eternity.

What "powers" we may or may not have in/on the new earth is unknown.

Some believe we have an immortal "soul", I don't find the bible teaching this. We are not immortal in any way and do not receive immortality until Jesus returns and the first resurrection happens. Further ... hell is the grave and the masses wait there in a dormant "sleep" until Jesus returns and the first resurrection happens. God don't torture people! There is NOT a burning place where people are tortured.

Later the 2nd resurrection (of all the wicked) happens, God destroys the earth and all the lost along with satan and the fallen angels and makes everything new.

Personally, I think (at minimum) it's going to be like the garden of Eden before the fall of mankind as God originally designed. That is ... human form and NO sin on the new earth, living for eternity in a world without sin. Amen! Beyond that ... who knows?

The new earth speaks of animals being there and children as well. Don't know if marriage and pro-creation will be restored to mankind or not ???

 

[disciple Clint]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

OK my thought, why would someone want to leave something that is perfect and go to something that is imperfect? God wants relationship with us, that is why He created man.

 

[bling]

Greetings. I'm not actually a Christian as per now, but interesting in religions, and I have a question:

If Lucifer and his followers, having free will, were able to leave Heaven, is it fair to assume that anyone, when they go to Heaven, can also leave? It's not actually in conflict with the idea of eternal life in Heaven.... You can stay there eternally if you want, but you can also leave, and descend to Earth and/or a kind of "spirit realm" related to it.

This resonates with the Garden of Eden story too, right? They live a kind of paradise (Heaven?), but they choose to fall for the temptation to leave, and thus, they are condemned to this earthly existence.

This view would also answer a question I've always had: Doesn't it seem rather weird and pointless that God just created the world, lets people live one human life here (and a very very short one if they die as babies), and then there's a final destination for eternity? Maybe these realms are all part of eternity, and it's all dynamic.

This would also resonate with a view which I think CS Lewis had, that if there's a Hell, it's locked from the inside – so people can leave it.

It would also be somewhat compatible with the idea of reincarnation, which, as far as I know, some early Christians believed in, and some Christians still do.

Thoughts? Are there any Christian denominations which believe something like this?

Briefly and to begin with:
1. In heave we still have free will, so in theory we could leave, but hell is the only other place.
2. Everything is driven by the objective.
3. Some people will not learn off the objective and thus have the opportunity to accept or reject God's pure undeserved charity and thus Love like God Loves, but thet still go to heaven without fulfilling their objective, bad news/good news.
4. Earth is the only place to fulfill our objective and if we refuse we would never fulfill it any other way.
Got to go