If I'm an Atheist and I am not a bad person, will I go to hell?

[Skavau]

Yeah, because we said that. I think you're inferring too much.

Yes you have said that. You've said that it is right for God to punish me for what I think. That is a statement in favour of thought-crime. You've said that it is right for God to condemn me to hell. That is a statement in favour of torture.

 

[OldRegularBaptist]

I deny Jesus as a savior of mankind, but I do think historically speaking, he was a real person. I find it extremely unlikely there is a God of any kind, even more unlikely a god that actually "loves" his creation and for some reason cares so much if people love him back. And to make it clear too, I don't believe in the devil either. I'm an honest and caring person, I've never done an "evil" thing my entire life. With that all said, would I go to hell?

God will enlighten you before you die that you are a sinner. It doesn't matter if you're 90 years old, if God never visits you and shows you that you are a sinner then heaven will be your home. You have to realize that you are dead in sins and dying and going to hell to be able to call to him. At this moment when he calls to you, it becomes a choice to deligently seek him out or to reject the call. Jesus said many are called but few are chosen. He calls and it becomes a choice for us to forsake it all and become willing for his will to be done. He will not grab you by the hair of your head either, it will be a small still voice telling you that you ought to be a better person. This light will shine to everyone and it's your choice to take heed to that light. Time and chance will happen to everyone!

 

[bhsmte]

It's actually stated quite clearly in Scripture.

If i thought scripture was reliable, i would likely still be a christian.

Take the log out of your own eye.........

 

[ron4shua]

If I'm and Atheist and am not a bad person, will I go to hell?

Hell

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0001348

The pagan concept of eternal " forever & ever " retribution for transgressions against
Elohim YAHweh , is totally pagan . The words & concepts are correctly translated Destruction , totally disintegrated in a nanosecond .

http://biblehub.com/isr/matthew/10.htm

27“What I say to you in the dark, speak in the light. And what you hear in the ear, proclaim on the house-tops.

28“And do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the being. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both being and body in Gehenna.

29“Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground without your Father.

30“And even the hairs of your head are all numbered.

31“So do not fear, you are worth more than many sparrows.

32“Everyone, therefore, who shall confess Me before men, him I shall also confess before My Father who is in the heavens.

33“But whoever shall deny Me before men, him I shall also deny before My Father who is in the heavens.

If my understanding of atheistic " reasoning " is correct , it's not disbelief in a Supreme Deity .

But a replacement , that is , by their own human ego .

The thing I understand as ,

original transgression against Elohim YAHweh !

Esteem

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0000927

Exalt

http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=%AFt0000945

 

[GillDouglas]

Yes you have said that. You've said that it is right for God to punish me for what I think. That is a statement in favour of thought-crime. You've said that it is right for God to condemn me to hell. That is a statement in favour of torture.

Nope, if anything I would say God wants you to turn away from living for yourself and live for Him. I wouldn't preach the way you described. It wouldn't be a very good method for bringing anyone to the Lord.

 

[seekingsolace]

Yes you have said that. You've said that it is right for God to punish me for what I think. That is a statement in favour of thought-crime. You've said that it is right for God to condemn me to hell. That is a statement in favour of torture.

If by your standards, a person who molests children, murders and is overall a detestable individual, does he deserve punishment? Now if that is by our standards, how can we assess it from Gods perspective?

 

[Skavau]

Nope, if anything I would say God wants you to turn away from living for yourself and live for Him. I wouldn't preach the way you described. It wouldn't be a very good method for bringing anyone to the Lord.

It does not matter that God wants me to turn away. The fact is that if I do not, for whatever reason, he will punish me according to you. He will punish me for what I think. This means that you are in favour of the idea of thought-crame.

 

[Skavau]

If by your standards, a person who molests children, murders and is overall a detestable individual, does he deserve punishment? Now if that is by our standards, how can we assess it from Gods perspective?

They do, but no-one deserves to be tortured for eternity.

 

[GillDouglas]

If i thought scripture was reliable, i would likely still be a christian.

Take the log out of your own eye.........

How can we even attempt to witness to others with all this lumber!? Well, that's where God comes in.

 

[GillDouglas]

It does not matter that God wants me to turn away. The fact is that if I do not, for whatever reason, he will punish me according to you. He will punish me for what I think. This means that you are in favour of the idea of thought-crame.

I make no judgement about your relationship with God.

 

[Skavau]

I make no judgement about your relationship with God.

I never said you did - I said that if God does punish me for what I think that you'd support it.

This means that you support the eventual removal of free expression and free thought.

 

[seekingsolace]

They do, but no-one deserves to be tortured for eternity.

You use the word torture, what if it's being separated that is the torture. Is that unethical?

 

[Skavau]

You use the word torture, what if it's being separated that is the torture. Is that unethical?

Yes.

If God knows that by separating people he will cause them torture (and there's every reason to think he does) then it is unethical.

 

[seekingsolace]

Yes.

If God knows that by separating people he will cause them torture (and there's every reason to think he does) then it is unethical.

What if the anguish is simply knowing they rejected good, originating from envy and jealousy rather than grief?

 

[Kirsten]

If i thought scripture was reliable, i would likely still be a christian.

Take the log out of your own eye.........

However, it is stated clearly in Scripture regardless if you believe it or not. I happen to believe God and what He says, which means you were never born again to begin with. A Christian is transferred from death to life and cannot become unborn again.

 

[Kirsten]

Yes.

If God knows that by separating people he will cause them torture (and there's every reason to think he does) then it is unethical.

Who decides what is ethical?

 

[OldRegularBaptist]

It does not matter that God wants me to turn away. The fact is that if I do not, for whatever reason, he will punish me according to you. He will punish me for what I think. This means that you are in favour of the idea of thought-crame.

God will not punish you for the way you think. Don't you think God would show you that you are a sinner first and give you a chance to repent? You have to realize that you are dead in sins before you can become converted. If you genuinely have never felt like a sinner and no need to repent then heaven will be your home. If God has spoken to your heart and you continue to make up excuses then he will indeed punish you. He gives us all a chance.

 

[okmike]

"Hell" is a very well worn concept though and I truly don't believe in something so vividly described by many but never seen by one.

Never seen by one? You are greatly misinformed. There are many who have died and gone to hell and returned. One was a man in Africa who was taken in his casket to the basement of a Reinhard Bonnke meeting and was resurrected. He testifies that he was in hell before coming back (google it). There are others.

 

[Skavau]

What if the anguish is simply knowing they rejected good, originating from envy and jealousy rather than grief?

Then, yes. Why put people in such a dismal existence? Annihilationism would be more ethical.

Also, a side question: Do you honestly believe that Muslims would believe that they "rejected good" (I'm actually not seeing any direct connection between accepting salvation and goodness. It is all about following orders and has nothing to do with morality. It is much more a self-serving action than anything else) and be in despair on the basis of "envy" and "jealousy"? Do you think God should have nothing for them for their own faith, their own convictions?

 

[Kirsten]

I never said you did - I said that if God does punish me for what I think that you'd support it.

This means that you support the eventual removal of free expression and free thought.

God does not need us to support Him. You are completely misunderstanding. We simply believe Him. It's not up to us to support Him.