If I'm an Atheist and I am not a bad person, will I go to hell?

[Skavau]

These. No such claims were made, read my post carefully please, thank you.

They appear implied to me, albeit not personally. As if Atheists perhaps think that we know all we need to know about the universe.

Are you saying you don't have a personal connection with God?

 

[seekingsolace]

They appear implied to me, albeit not personally. As if Atheists perhaps think that we know all we need to know about the universe.

Are you saying you don't have a personal connection with God?

In no way did I imply such things.

How is that relevant?

 

[Skavau]

In no way did I imply such things.

How is that relevant?

It is indirectly relevant to my point that all things considered you claim more knowledge about the universe than I do in the sense that you claim to know the creator although now you claim that you don't. I would have thought every Christian ever would claim to have a relationship with God.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Never seen by one? You are greatly misinformed. There are many who have died and gone to hell and returned. One was a man in Africa who was taken in his casket to the basement of a Reinhard Bonnke meeting and was resurrected. He testifies that he was in hell before coming back (google it). There are others.

False death diagnosis is embarrassingly bad. It's been reported before on several occasions. One man happened to have had a hallucination whilst being in a coma. Doesn't validate the idea of hell.

So I say, seen by none.

 

[seekingsolace]

It is indirectly relevant to my point that all things considered you claim more knowledge about the universe than I do in the sense that you claim to know the creator although now you claim that you don't. I would have thought every Christian ever would claim to have a relationship with God.

You really should think out your messages. Once again, this has been addressed; that was not stated - or implied. it is not relevant to the discussion, nor have I made a claim to be in or out of a relationship. The issue here is you projecting a view you think is true.

 

[Skavau]

You really should think out your messages. Once again, this has been addressed; that was not stated - or implied. it is not relevant to the discussion, nor have I made a claim to be in or out of a relationship. The issue here is you projecting a view you think is true.

I think I can be 'forgiven' for assuming every Christian, especially practicing Christians affirm that they are in a relationship with God.

It isn't relevant to the discussion though - I meant it as a side point.

 

[seekingsolace]

I think I can be 'forgiven' for assuming every Christian, especially practicing Christians affirm that they are in a relationship with God.

It isn't relevant to the discussion though - I meant it as a side point.

No it was relevant to your assumptions that I implied superior knowledge to you, which was not stated at all. Baiting to your desired outcome won't work.

 

[Skavau]

No it was relevant to your assumptions that I implied superior knowledge to you, which was not stated at all. Baiting to your desired outcome won't work.

I didn't suggest that you claimed superior knowledge. I suggested that you implied that Atheists claim to know more than they can.

 

[Messy]

False death diagnosis is embarrassingly bad. It's been reported before on several occasions. One man happened to have had a hallucination whilst being in a coma. Doesn't validate the idea of hell.

So I say, seen by none.

How do you know that was false? There are more that were really dead for 3 days. I watched that movie from that man with Reinhard Bonnke to build my faith and I asked them to pray when I had had a miscarriage with 7 weeks and he had already gone out of my body. My ex said: God can wave a new body. So I prayed, saw two angels bringing him back, got an echo and he was back in my body. I saw it with my own eyes, so that's why I believe that that man was also resurrected.
Reinhard Bonnke said: the request of the rich man will be granted to this generation (that rich man with Lazarus Jesus told about who wanted to warn his brothers).

 

[GillDouglas]

There is no free will.

Strange, you sound like a Calvinist.

What evil have I repaid people with? Why do I deserve to be tortured just for "not changing" or not changing in the appropriate way?

The concern here is as a 'humanist' we're skeptical that all humans have your best interest in mind, and that you have theirs. For some strange reason, beyond my own beliefs, I'm willing to wager that some may look out for their own.

 

[bhsmte]

It's a difficult matter to wrap our heads around. We feel the need to understand maybe to help others come back from unbelief, or prevent ourselves from falling away. I for one appreciate the conversation, and patience.

Could be. And, it could also be a Christian feels threatened when someone has left their belief and they need to comfort themselves, by rationalizing why those people are wrong, or were never Christians.

With any type of belief and especially beliefs that lack objective evidence, you have tons of personal psychology involved with them.

 

[Skavau]

Strange, you sound like a Calvinist.

The concern here is as a 'humanist' we're skeptical that all humans have your best interest in mind, and that you have theirs. For some strange reason, beyond my own beliefs, I'm willing to wager that most look out for their own.

I never said that most humans have my interests in mind. That's not even why I call myself a Humanist.

Yet it doesn't surprise me that antipathy towards humanity can be found in your beliefs.

 

[bhsmte]

You don't need to worry about true Christians. They are not concerned about what you believe or the laws of man. They will not chop your head off. You err in believing that being born again is even remotely related to religions like Muslim, or even Catholicism. Religions are of man.

How do you determine between a true Christian and someone who claims to be Christian, but they don't meet the criteria?

 

[GillDouglas]

Could be. And, it could also be a Christian feels threatened when someone has left their belief and they need to comfort themselves, by rationalizing why those people are wrong, or were never Christians.

With any type of belief and especially beliefs that lack objective evidence, you have tons of personal psychology involved with them.

I do not feel this applies to me. I am not threatened by your choices about God. It doesn't affect me.

 

[GillDouglas]

How do you determine between a true Christian and someone who claims to be Christian, but they don't meet the criteria?

You cannot.

 

[bhsmte]

How can we even attempt to witness to others with all this lumber!? Well, that's where God comes in.

Where does he come in, what does he do?

 

[bhsmte]

I do not feel this applies to me. I am not threatened by your choices about God. It doesn't affect me.

Wasn't meant to be directed at you. Looking at certain behaviors on this board though, it certainly applies to some.

 

[bhsmte]

You cannot.

Well, that must be another difference between you and other posters in this thread then. It appears other Christians feel they can, because they talk about "true Christians". If you talk about "true Christians", that must mean they know what a fake one is.

 

[bhsmte]

I am against our government trying to control us at all. Our government has in fact begun to encroach on our thoughts. I am not at all in favor of incarcerating anyone for what they believe. You are mistaken.

How has the government stopped or encroached on you having thoughts?

 

[bhsmte]

However, it is stated clearly in Scripture regardless if you believe it or not. I happen to believe God and what He says, which means you were never born again to begin with. A Christian is transferred from death to life and cannot become unborn again.

Of course, another judgment about my past beliefs.

You are on a roll!!!!