If I'm an Atheist and I am not a bad person, will I go to hell?

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Why create beings that, by their nature, will never satisfy your standards, only to punish them for constantly falling short of standards they could never hope to achieve?

Yeah, it's like giving a class an examination where the passing score is 100, but there are only 99 points worth of questions on the test.


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That's deeply circuitous.

Well, that's what having a little familiarity with Christian theology will get you! In a way, it's like any other subject; the general idea often is misleading and it takes a deeper study in order to see how everything fits together.

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Yeah, it's like giving a class an examination where the passing score is 100, but there are only 99 points worth of questions on the test.


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If that were the case, absolutely no one could be saved. Is that what you are saying Christianity teaches on the subject??
 
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Yeah, it's like giving a class an examination where the passing score is 100, but there are only 99 points worth of questions on the test.

What if the last question is written on your heart, and the answer is in your conscience?
 
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Well, that's what having a little familiarity with Christian theology will get you! In a way, it's like any other subject; the general idea often is misleading and it takes a deeper study in order to see how everything fits together.
It's like releasing a virus that infects countless people, only to later saunter onto the scene with the alleged cure. "I made you sick, but I can also make you well. This is what you must do..."
 
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Well, that's what having a little familiarity with Christian theology will get you! In a way, it's like any other subject; the general idea often is misleading and it takes a deeper study in order to see how everything fits together.

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Myself not unlike others, the more I studied Christianity, the less believable it became.

What it really requires is; psychological gymnastics to reconcile the story and some just can't bend that way.
 
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It's like releasing a virus that infects countless people, only to later saunter onto the scene with the alleged cure. "I made you sick, but I can also make you well. This is what you must do..."

If God had "made" Men sick, you might have a point there. But you don't. Is this a good example of having "a little familiarity?" ;)
 
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Myself not unlike others, the more I studied Christianity, the less believable it became.

What it really requires is; psychological gymnastics to reconcile the story and some just can't bend that way.

Perhaps that's where you fell short, sometimes a pretense of understanding hinders progress.
 
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If God had "made" Men sick, you might have a point there. But you don't. Is this a good example of having "a little familiarity?" ;)
God either made men sick directly or watched as it happened. Either way he endorsed the affliction.
 
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God either made men sick directly or watched as it happened. Either way he endorsed the affliction.

Well, THAT makes no sense. It wouldn't even pass muster in one of our courts. "Well sir, you knew that murders were going on in Baltimore, didn't you? Yet you didn't prevent any of them from happening. (gavel) I sentence you to....."
 
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Perhaps that's where you fell short, sometimes a pretense of understanding hinders progress.

Not in my case.

I was a Christian for 40 years and where I fell short, was in not taking the time to thoroughly examining Christianity and the NT from a historical the scholarly standpoint and I just assumed the story was valid.

So, I was open to acquiring new knowledge and oh boy, does a good objective review of the NT bring new knowledge. My goal was to not hinder reality and to be honest with what I discovered.
 
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Well, THAT makes no sense. It wouldn't even pass muster in one of our courts. "Well sir, you knew that murders were going on in Baltimore, didn't you? Yet you didn't prevent any of them from happening. (gavel) I sentence you to....."
I wasn't saying it to suggest God ought to be sentenced. I was making the point that God allowed or caused humanity to fall into sickness. God then continued to watch as hell became the default place for everyone who has ever been born and then decided that the only way people can avoid this fate would be to believe a certain way.
 
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If God had "made" Men sick, you might have a point there. But you don't. Is this a good example of having "a little familiarity?" ;)
He did make them sick. He created the standards he expected human beings to satisfy, and he created human beings knowing that they would fail to satisfy those standards. I suspect you will try to pin this all on Adam and Eve, but the blame lays with their designer. He bears ultimate responsibility for his creation.
 
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Myself not unlike others, the more I studied Christianity, the less believable it became.

What it really requires is; psychological gymnastics to reconcile the story and some just can't bend that way.
The more I studied, the more I found it to be an eloquent metaphor, or allegory. "The Word" is the eternal law of good entailing good, and vice entailing suffering etc. Man may believe in the good, but flawed humanity can only really access it through faith, for he is only a contingently good player in the moral game. As Abelard argues IIRC, man may be judged by what he deeply believes in - but he must act according to his weaknesses. So Christ represents the crucified ideal, crucified because our weaknesses are real even if our hearts, through faith, can be 'bound up with his eternal blessedness' as an ideal to beleive in.

Maybe this is basic bible class stuff, but ar sunday school IIRC my mind was boggles by Noah and the ark.
 
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The more I studied, the more I found it to be an eloquent metaphor, or allegory. "The Word" is the eternal law of good entailing good, and vice entailing suffering etc. Man may believe in the good, but flawed humanity can only really access it through faith, for he is only a contingently good player in the moral game. As Abelard argues IIRC, man may be judged by what he deeply believes in - but he must act according to his weaknesses. So Christ represents the crucified ideal, crucified because our weaknesses are real even if our hearts, through faith, can be 'bound up with his eternal blessedness' as an ideal to beleive in.

Maybe this is basic bible class stuff, but ar sunday school IIRC my mind was boggles by Noah and the ark.

As many biblical historians will state; the book is an excellent work of theology, it is not a work of reliable history. If one has faith in that particular theology, then good for them.
 
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