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ThePenguinMafia said:Natural selection is the complete opposite of random, if that makes things clearer for you.
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That's what i thought. Just wanted to clear it up.ThePenguinMafia said:I've been perfectly clear. The designer is nature and circumstance; which lacks any form of intelligence and derives change via natural selection. It's more the illusion of design that anything, and can not rationally be called "intelligent".
No, I'm not. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. Natural selection is not random because it is affected by things.DevotiontoBible said:This time I won't say make up your mind. This time I'll say you are making an oxymoron. But you are doing the same thing. Which is it...a selection without intelligence or on purpose (the opposite of random)? You are saying there is an unintelligent selection that selected with a purpose!
ThePenguinMafia said:Check the origins of the universe thread for the first bit. I'm a medical student, not a physics grad, and admit to not being able to understand physics to any acceptable degree.
I obtained my intellect because of the selection pressures towards it. You need only look at your roof to see the survival advantages of intelligence.
Wrong.DevotiontoBible said:Because the only explanation for the universe, other than evolution, is creationism.
Army of Juan said:Wrong.
There are many other explanations (and other creation myths) and besides, evolution just deals with biology, not the universe so even that's wrong.
When you consider what your brain actually is, it's not that strange. My ability to think comes from the movement of ions. We don't need intelligence to move ions, as it is facilitated by mindless things.DevotiontoBible said:This isn't rocket science. You would have to admit you have no intelligence because you came from something that had no intelligence in itself to give you. But you have intelligence because you are a med student, therefore you came from something that had intelligence in itself to give you. Will you admit that much?
Wasn't there something along the lines that this reality is just a resonance of our true spiritual plane? It was on the Daily Show when they had that Evolution Shmevolution debate.DevotiontoBible said:Like what?
ThePenguinMafia said:No, I'm not. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. Natural selection is not random because it is affected by things.
If your child, god forbid, were to have a chance mutation resulting in deformed lungs and foetal death, it would not pass these genes on. If your child developed a disease resistance gene in the middle of an epidemic then it would be more likely to pass this gene on, and so would his children if they too had the gene. This is not random, it's selective pressure.
The survival of genes is the purpose of selection. It doesn't care about the host in any other way than that of a vector. Genes are in a sense a mind (albeit one with no intelligence) of their own, trying to pass themselves onto the next generation.
Another miss. It's looking to be a shutout.DevotiontoBible said:Just admit it. You are saying it is affected by things that have no aim, or purpose or design. That means they are random causes. You are saying it is by random chance that the fit become fit. They become fit by accident.
Actually, that is what you are saying. The only random part of the equation is the mutations themselves (and even this might not be random) the rest of the process is entirely ordered.DevotiontoBible said:Just admit it. You are saying it is affected by things that have no aim, or purpose or design. That means they are random causes. You are saying it is by random chance that the fit become fit. They become fit by accident.
ThePenguinMafia said:When you consider what your brain actually is, it's not that strange. My ability to think comes from the movement of ions. We don't need intelligence to move ions, as it is facilitated by mindless things.
I admit that humans came from something with intelligence, I came from something with intelligence and what I know came from something with intelligence. Primate ancestors, my parents and the extelligence of humanity.
DevotiontoBible said:Where did man get the ability to love, to be patient, to reason?
DevotiontoBible said:These are not found in an unintelligent nature. Nothing cannot cause something.
DevotiontoBible said:You need to answer this, if you dare because you know where it will lead you to, right?
DevotiontoBible said:Good night.
What kind of twisted logic is this?DevotiontoBible said:This isn't rocket science. You would have to admit you have no intelligence because you came from something that had no intelligence in itself to give you. But you have intelligence because you are a med student, therefore you came from something that had intelligence in itself to give you. Will you admit that much?
Having no aim=/=random.DevotiontoBible said:Just admit it. You are saying it is affected by things that have no aim, or purpose or design. That means they are random causes. You are saying it is by random chance that the fit become fit. They become fit by accident.
Erock83 said:Random thought toward the order argument. Chaos seems to me to be simply the state of things that are not in equilibrium with each other, thus that lack of order or attempt to achieve equilibrium is what is defined by Chaos thus it must be governed by laws and rules like those of entropy which was referred to earlier. What Im really saying is perhaps we view disorder incorrectly when there is a order to it just because we dont understand the laws that govern it all. I think most scientist would agree that every system is always attempting to achieve equilibrium. That gives way to the idea that chaos is a move to order and not a system of disorder. If a given system is moving to order there must be laws that govern its actions.
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False Dichotomy. What about the Flying Spagetti Monster...hmmm? They are those of us who have, by meatball revelation, come to understand that all life on Earth is due to the unintelligent whims of the FSM. Life on Earth can only be explained by Pasta.DevotiontoBible said:Because the only explanation for the universe, other than evolution, is creationism.
You just told us it is the Christian God, since you said it is either Evolution of Creationism. Why are you confusing them if they have nothing to do with each other??DevotiontoBible said:I haven't gotten to what kind of God is the designer. Just to show by logic that an intelligent designer is responsible for the universe. ID does not promote any one brand of religion it only comes to the logical conclusion of an intelligent designer.
It's called Creationism... or Intelligent Design... I can't tell, because DevotiontoBible uses the terms interchangably, for some reason..Tomk80 said:What kind of twisted logic is this?
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