If homosexuality is proven to be biological . . .

[OphidiaPhile]

nonsense

Give me ONE piece of evidence that the bible is anything more than a book written by man to control the uneducated and superstitious masses of that time period.

i can read.

Just becasue there is a book does not mean it is the word of god or that it is even true. or more than a grouping of parable.

no it doesn't

Actually it does.

nor was there any other English word.
that's why it's called a translation.

There was no word in HEBREW for homosexuality so the translator had no idea what the word actually meant. It is a guess at best.

 

[Merlin]

Give me ONE piece of evidence that the bible is anything more than a book written by man to control the uneducated and superstitious masses of that time period.

Just becasue there is a book does not mean it is the word of god or that it is even true. or more than a grouping of parable.

that's relevent how?

There was no word in HEBREW for homosexuality so the translator had no idea what the word actually meant. It is a guess at best.

'homosexuality' isn't the issue

 

[OphidiaPhile]

that's relevent how?


'homosexuality' isn't the issue

Then how do you have any basis for saying your god condemns homosexuality?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Originally Posted by Washington

If homosexuality is proven to be biological . . .
how do you think fundie Christians will handle it?

irrelevant
we are commanded not to do it

Hey wait a minute and think about this. You get to do anything you wish, and you get a congenital Get out of consequences, accountability and guilt card for it.

Pretty good deal don't you think?

Liberalism has its silver lining huh?

 

[Merlin]

Then how do you have any basis for saying your god condemns homosexuality?

lev 20 13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

see?
homosexuality isn't used

 

[sk8Joyful]

The US is NOT a pure democracy and never has been
it is a Democratic Republic which is designed to keep the majority from controlling the minority so therefore a vote would be unconstitutional.

Actually America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy

http://www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com/
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html

 

[OphidiaPhile]

lev 20 13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

see?
homosexuality isn't used

Now of course it says nothing of two gay men being married, conjecture is not a valid reason to reduce a minority to less than human as you so easily do. And you are most certainly using guesswork and conjecture. and since your bible has no bearing on law or civil rights you have reason to deny anyone of anything.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Actually America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy

http://www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com/
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html

I said it is not a Democracy it is a Democratic republic.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Now of course it says nothing of two gay men being married,

Because there is no such thing.

. . . conjecture is not a valid reason to reduce a minority to less than human as you so easily do.

There is no valid reason to make sex acts as a minority qualifier.

And you are most certainly using guesswork and conjecture.

The consistent record, throughout the Bible, of the appropriateness of sexuality is never celebrated in the same-gender sex acts category.

The Fifth Commandment makes that clear. As well as way back in Genesis.

. . . and since your bible has no bearing on law or civil rights you have reason to deny anyone of anything.

Christians as citizens have voting rights.

For now anyway.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Because there is no such thing.

Again conjecture.

There is no valid reason to make sex acts as a minority qualifier.

Homosexuality is a minority status and does not have anything to do with the act of homosexual sex.

The consistent record, throughout the Bible, of the appropriateness of sexuality is never celebrated in the same-gender sex acts category.

Nor is it condemned.

The Fifth Commandment makes that clear. As well as way back in Genesis.

Yeah and we have to different version of genesis, way to stay consistent there supreme deity.

Christians as citizens have voting rights.

For now anyway.

Not to take away the civil rights of others, it is not a democracy it is a democratic Republic.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Again conjecture.

I have proven over and over again, that there is no such thing as celebration of gay sex, homosexuality or same-gender unions anywhere in scripture.

You'll do better to stick with the: "You Christians can't tell us anti Christians what to do," deal. There, you are correct.

Homosexuality is a minority status and does not have anything to do with the act of homosexual sex.

The Gay Agenda.

Another fact made clear by Christians.

Nor is it condemned.

Uh, yeah. Your atheistic interpreation is going to be hailed as valuable only with the usual suspects that support your ways.

Yeah and we have to different version of genesis, way to stay consistent there supreme deity.

Care a go with an example?

Not to take away the civil rights of others, it is not a democracy it is a democratic Republic.

There never has been same-gender marriage legal.

That means . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

No one is "taking it away."

If I ever get a Doctorate, I'm still going to use the word "Duh."

 

[OphidiaPhile]

There never has been same-gender marriage legal.

Except in Massachusetts, CA, Canada etc, care to try again. Oh and it will be legal nationwide before long.

That means . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

No one is "taking it away."

Homosexuality is a defined minority so in fact you are taking away a civil right.

 

[sk8Joyful]

There are KKK members
who will probably never accept Jews and Blacks. Do you think the Jews and Blacks care?

except everyone knows
the 'Afro-american' born race, or the 'Jewish' born people,

have no bearing on a person's homosexual behavioral-choice.

They have used shock therapy, testosterone therapy, psychotherapy...
And nothing changes. Go figur'.

That useless/failed methods don't work, you think serves as an excuse? to continue, a person's homosexual behavioral-choice.

Of course methods have succeeded, in helping 'homosexuals' change, back to their Created-state behaviors. - This proves that a person's homosexual behavioral-choice, is just that, a behavioral-choice.

So no excuse.

As a homosexual, I don't care whether you accept it or not.
You can think me a sinner, choosing my sexual lifestyle,
or that I have miraculously passed the age limit of gay men. Believe what you will.

When you start imposing laws upon my civil rights, the law will defend me ultimately.

That GOD's-morality is now discarded, by favoring 'special-Interest civil rights', also
says absolutely nothing about "homosexuality = biological";
but then you do know, what's right, by admitting "I don't care" <-- that's the operative phrase.

So a pervert = sex with animals,
Or a pedophile = sex with children, is the same. They both say the same thing, "I don't care";
even as both of them know, that theirs too is a behavioral-choice.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

except everyone knows
the 'Afro-american' born race, or the 'Jewish' born people,

have no bearing on a person's homosexual behavioral-choice.

Homosexuality is not a choice which is supported by both science and psychiatry. Race is also a misnomer when in fact "races" are more akin to separate subspecies.

That useless/failed methods don't work, you think serves as an excuse? to continue, a person's homosexual behavioral-choice.

Biological predisposition, saying choice time and again does not make it so.

Of course methods have succeeded, in helping 'homosexuals' change, back to their Created-state behaviors. - This proves that a person's homosexual behavioral-choice, is just that, a behavioral-choice.

Not once ever has it happened that the person was not on the payroll of a church. And again not a choice no matter how much you want it to be.

That GOD's-morality is now discarded, by favoring 'special-Interest civil rights', also
says absolutely nothing about "homosexuality = biological";
but then you do know, what's right, by admitting "I don't care" <-- that's the operative phrase.

Nor does the law care what your bible says.

So a pervert = sex with animals,
Or a pedophile = sex with children, is the same. They both say the same thing, "I don't care";
even as both of them know, that theirs too is a behavioral-choice.

They are not choices they are in fact biological.

 

[sk8Joyful]

riginally Posted by sk8Joyful

Actually America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy

http://www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com/
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion...Democracy.html
​

I said it is not a Democracy, it is a Democratic republic.

precisely, where in there did you see "democracy"?; and why
I said "Actually America is a Constitutional Republic . . ."

 

[OphidiaPhile]

riginally Posted by sk8Joyful

Actually America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy

http://www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com/
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion...Democracy.html
​

precisely, where in there did you see "democracy"?; and why
I said "Actually America is a Constitutional Republic . . ."

I was pointing out that they are basically the same without being a pure democracy which is more akin to anarchy.

 

[sk8Joyful]

saying choice time and again does not make it so.

Biological predisposition.

Aside this fact, which was conveniently ignored, this one: "a couple methods have succeeded, in helping 'homosexuals' change, back to their Created-state behaviors. <-- This proves that a person's homosexual behavioral-choice, is just that, a behavioral-choice.
plus
There's another dilemma, this one: GOD created humanity, before HE then added our "biology"

Homosexuality is not a choice

which is supported by both science and psychiatry.

continuous deception/lies, are so tiring Even the general-public has caught-on,
that both general MD's, plus psychiatrists, often $pay science$ to give them the 'results' they want. That is well known, that practice: 'I'll pad your wallet, if you pad mine'. Yes, immoral bedfellows the world over.

And again not a choice no matter how much you want it to be.

They are not choices, they are in fact biological.

A reasonable & scientific person soon grows tired,
of repeating the same deception/lies, as above, to oneself, and especially others. -
And
a real-scientist, when faced with facts, then says:
"I wonder what new things I can learn here"

You're 40? - meaning I've been around medical-circles, longer than you've been alive
But,
see I refuse to get stuck in tired, worn-out ruts, like
that phrase "Homosexuality is a - uh, 'biological', uh 'pre-disposition', uh 'civil right', uh - oh we'll think of something that's plausible"

My list of questions... growing daily I can continue my fascination... with Learning; like I learned that, & how "homosexuals can change, back to their Created-state behaviors. - This proves that a person's homosexual behavioral-choice, is just that, a behavioral-choice.
And this fact does bear repeating; especially for any sincere homosexual, wanting to Reality-reorient again.
~

Too, I said:

So a pervert = sex with animals,
Or a pedophile = sex with children, is the same. They both say the same thing, "I don't care";
even as both of them know, that theirs too is a behavioral-choice.

That most of those 2 groups don't want to change their behavioral-choice, also does not mean they can't. For
in fact some few have.

The majority of homosexuals, pedophiles, & perverts? - they'll keep each other "company" in a real warm place forever...
​

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Aside this fact, which was conveniently ignored, this one: "a couple methods have succeeded, in helping 'homosexuals' change, back to their Created-state behaviors. <-- This proves that a person's homosexual behavioral-choice, is just that, a behavioral-choice.
plus
There's another dilemma, this one: GOD created humanity, before HE then added our "biology"

There has never been a single proven example of a homosexual person being "converted" to heterosexuality, maybe a someone that is bisexual and is already attracted to BOTH sexes but NEVER a homosexual person. Your god has nothing to do with science or biological fact.

continuous deception/lies, are so tiring Even the general-public has caught-on,
that both general MD's, plus psychiatrists, often $pay science$ to give them the 'results' they want. That is well known, that practice: 'I'll pad your wallet, if you pad mine'. Yes, immoral bedfellows the world over.

That is a blatant lie and id most certainly not the way science works.

A reasonable & scientific person soon grows tired,
of repeating the same deception/lies, as above, to oneself, and especially others. -
And
a real-scientist, when faced with facts, then says:
"I wonder what new things I can learn here"

A reasonable and scientific person looks at current data and comes to the most logical conclusion.

You're 40? - meaning I've been around medical-circles, longer than you've been alive
But,
see I refuse to get stuck in tired, worn-out ruts, like
that phrase "Homosexuality is a - uh, 'biological', uh 'pre-disposition', uh 'civil right', uh - oh we'll think of something that's plausible"

Homosexuality is indeed listed as a minority status. And I am sure I have worked in the filed of science longer than you have been speculating about it.

My list of questions... growing daily I can continue my fascination... with Learning; like I learned that, & how "homosexuals can change, back to their Created-state behaviors. - This proves that a person's homosexual behavioral-choice, is just that, a behavioral-choice.
And this fact does bear repeating; especially for any sincere homosexual, wanting to Reality-reorient again.
~

Your uneducated (about this topic) opinion does not change the fact it is indeed biological in nature.

Too, I said:

So a pervert = sex with animals,
Or a pedophile = sex with children, is the same. They both say the same thing, "I don't care";
even as both of them know, that theirs too is a behavioral-choice.

That most of those 2 groups don't want to change their behavioral-choice, also does not mean they can't. For
in fact some few have.

The majority of homosexuals, pedophiles, & perverts? - they'll keep each other "company" in a real warm place forever...​

You have obviously decided that your opinion trumps scientific research, that is nothing new. But science will always win out over biased conjecture.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Hi there
In communication, may I point out 2 of your current practices, demonstrating you are highly defensively emotionally charged. Now, you may want to modify/change them IF your goal is to have another person accept your current limited opinions:

Not once...
There has never...
&
2. ...but NEVER a homosexual person
...But science will always...

1. Usage such as always, never, not once" are known as 'Universal Quantifiers': they create a chemical reaction chain in brains, that would occur AS IF it really were always, every, or never; otherwise known as communication meta-model violations.
Iow,
so long as you keep telling yourself (whatever), you'll create this rut in your brain, that deepens,
until any insight to the contrary is 'deleted or ignored'; because it doesn't match your preferred perception, of
the reality you want to create.

For instance (since you work with snakes ), say someone fearful of snakes says "EVERY snake is deadly, either by Constriction, or Poison; so I must avoid ALL snakes & I can NEVER touch, or god forbid hold one, or I must ALWAYS die". - Now both you & I know, that (perception of reality), is not in fact, reality. A little grass, or garden snake (when known as such), is mostly harmless. -
Well,
in the same fashion, your own meta-model violations, also stand to change, because you can not personally prove (what you claim) about EVERY-such 'homosexual' in billions of people the world over.
and

2. Anytime you respond to someone's work experience, like "Homosexuality is an established behavioral-choice/pattern, that skillfully can be changed" then, you could, & did say

but

2. this word "but" tries to negate, everything before it; why do that? - in this case once again, new info incoming, you choose rejecting,
because it doesn't match your preferred perception, of the reality you want to create.
So what you maintain currently, is not really reality, and certainly not, "societal consensus" of reality. -
It is
merely once again your preferred perception, of the reality you personally want to create.

Funny how transparent/naked someone's communication can be, eh? -
It's ok tho; because I am not trying to *change* your opinions, I will leave that to you.

 

[Garyzenuf]

The majority of homosexuals, pedophiles, & perverts? - they'll keep each other "company" in a real warm place forever...

Ahhh...christianity has had such a positive effect on your compassion level. You must be proud.

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