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If homosexuality is proven to be biological . . .

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Washington, Dec 26, 2008.

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  1. OphidiaPhile

    OphidiaPhile Well-Known Member

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    My "opinion" as you put it are based on scientific reality and are not emotional in any way, what in fact you are accusing me of is exactly that which you display. you choose to disregard actual scientific in favor of an opinion with no valid data to support. I do not bas opinion of emotion or conjecture if there is not hard evidence I do not form an opinion.

    The fact of the matter is there has never been one verifiable case of a homosexual being changed to heterosexual and if it were not natural it would not be something that is verifiable in thousands of species. If I were using those inconsistent with the usage of my assertion you would be correct of which you are not.
    The term is Garter snake not garden snake and ther are venomous species of Garter snake. And again if there was a single quantifiable instance of a homosexual person being converted I would not use the descriptors That I have.
    Well,

    Science and Psychology have proven it is not a choice therefore your assertion is invalid.
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    You have given no info, only opinion and conjecture, neither of which are valid without data to back them up.
     
  2. Caitlin.ann

    Caitlin.ann Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Like they do fossils..."the devil placed dem thur to trick us!!"
     
  3. OphidiaPhile

    OphidiaPhile Well-Known Member

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    And now we have the best answer yet.:clap:
     
  4. Caitlin.ann

    Caitlin.ann Well-Known Member Supporter

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    *giggles* Thank you, thank you! *bows* :D
     
  5. hsmommyofmany

    hsmommyofmany Junior Member

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    i also think that for alot of christians (and perhaps non-christians as well) there is also the issue of a slippery slope when it comes to marriage. when we talk about granting the rights of marriage where does it end. should we then allow polygamists to marry, how about if someone wants to marry their cat, should we allow that as well?

    the other issue is that if gay marriage becomes legal then pastors whose religion allows them to be opposed to such a thing could be FORCED by the government into performing gay marriage ceremonies. where would they stand in being able to protect their rights NOT to participate in a gay marriage. the same is being done with abortion. the government is trying to FORCE doctors into performing abortions. what about those doctors whose religious convictions say that abortion is wrong.

    so are we to now tell christian pastors and doctors that they are FORCED to perform duties they find reprehensible. what about their religious freedom.

    i do not see opposing homosexuality as forcing people to do anything or taking away rights. no one is telling them they can not have sex, can not live together, can not have romantic relationships. there are many states that allow civil unions which grant gay couples all of the rights of homosexual couples. why is this not good enough?
     
  6. sk8Joyful

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    You're entitled to your opinions :)

    Lord only knows, 'psychology' (has disabled more people); unless -
    you're talking helping people restore GOD-blessed behavioral skills, more often than not, easily & quickly.
    and
    Yes! many bioscience insights/advances have definitely helped humanity discover... how GOD created us to
    enjoy optimum-health, & human developments such as re-creating our body as we want, and much longer longevity
    ,
    than 'traditionally' believed & taught in school/college texts as possible.
    So yes, both "Mind & Body-sciences" we have been able to use, to make wonderful changes, including
    "Homosexuality's established behavioral-choice/pattern, being re-programmed". :thumbsup:

    Cheers! :wave:
     
  7. b&wpac4

    b&wpac4 Trying to stay away

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    Underlining your own points annoys me for a reason I can't quite put my finger on. It's almost like insulting someone and then saying "Nice one!" to yourself. It just doesn't work.
     
  8. sk8Joyful

    sk8Joyful Well-Known Member

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    I'm happy :) to restate each of these Positive, Constructive blessings GOD has blessed us humanity with,
    sans underlining:
    1. GOD created us to enjoy optimum-health, & human developments such as re-creating our body as we want, and
    much longer longevity, (than 'traditionally' believed & taught in school/college texts as possible.)

    2. Helping people restore GOD-blessed behavioral skills, more often than not, easily & quickly.

    3. including"Homosexuality's established behavioral-choice/pattern, being re-programmed" :thumbsup: ;
    other people are being helped to make additional wonderful changes... to their liking.

    Cheers! :wave:
     
  9. b&wpac4

    b&wpac4 Trying to stay away

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    See, much better!
     
  10. MaxP

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    Catholic Church teaches such people are called to chastity.
     
  11. cheese007

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    Well, sk8Joyful, you have convinced me the wickedness of my sins! I am going to stop being attracted to to other men RIGHT NOW!

































    Aww darn, it didn't work. :(
     
  12. Polycarp_fan

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    Is the Methodist Church still in existence?
     
  13. Angel4Truth

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    Sin has passed to all men. It wouldnt change one thing I believe from the bible if it was proven to be biological. Alcoholism can be genetic too. We all have a sin nature and the sins we are most drawn to vary and i wouldnt be surprised if parts of those natures have something to do with our genetics. Sin has very far reaching effects.
     
  14. WhatThe

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    In some places, polygamy is allowed, and has been for quite a while, so if you're against that, you better start speaking up.
    A cat is not a human. A cat is not able to consent. A cat does not have any rights, so there would be a lot of laws that would need to be changed before the law would even consider allowing people to marry their cats. Therefore, that analogy is illogical.

    Actually in most places where same sex marriage has been legalised (or been put on a ballot) provisions have been included to prevent this.
    On another note, some religious leaders are more then happy to perform same sex marriages.

    Well, you see, unions do not give the same rights as marriages. I can still be denied the right to see my partner if she is in hospital, I can be denied the right to make decisions for her, even if she has granted me power of attorney. If she gives birth to a child, and we raise it together, I have no legal rights to that child. I cannot sign permission forms, legal documents, etc. If my partner dies (knock wood) then the child could be taken from me, if even she has left specific details in her will.
    Here are some other points you might be interested in reading: http://www.yffn.org/admin/spi/marriagevsunion.html
     
  15. hsmommyofmany

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    i am assuming we are talking about the US here, i see you are in australia but my point was being made about the US. there is no where is the US where polygamy is legal. it does happen but not legally.

    and if some religious leaders want to perform same sex unions, that is fine it is their choice. my point is for those who are not happy to do it. they shoud not be forced to do it.

    as far as the legalities of civil unions i am certainly not an expert. if you are someones medical power of attorney i do not see how you can be denied...perhaps challenged by a family member or something but i do not know how that is legal if the person signed a form for you to have POA.

    as far as children...dont you have every right to file for adoption for the chid? as i understand it you can file to adopt. if you are not the childs biological parent they can not put you on the birth certificate or anything...that does not make sense.

    i would love to see the examples of where gay marriage is legal and the rights of pastors who abstain from performing ceremonies are protected. thanks.
     
  16. Caitlin.ann

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    Some of us support polygamy as well..
     
  17. hsmommyofmany

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    just in support of what i was referring too

    this is from an article http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/426077.aspx

    "There is no protection for pastors right now," Clark told CBN News. "If I were to refuse to perform a same-sex wedding I could be sued. I could be fined. We could lose our tax-exempt status."
    Clark and others worry because the state supreme court ruling equated opposition to homosexuality with racism. The Los Angeles Times reported on May 17 that "the majority opinionÂ…declared that any law that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation will from this point on be constitutionally suspect in California the same way as laws that discriminate by race or gender, making the state's high court the first in the nation to adopt such a stringent standard."
    New Jersey Christian Organization Sued for Discrimination
    The fears of many California pastors have already been realized across the country in Ocean Grove, New Jersey. That's because the state's civil rights division is investigating the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association, a Christian campground on the Jersey shore. At issue: its refusal to host a lesbian commitment ceremony.
    Rev. Scott Hoffman, chief administrative office of Ocean Grove, says they originally hoped they could work with the couple.
    "Our assumption was when they discovered this was a worship facility they would understand," he said. "And we could work out something where they could do it somewhere else."
    But despite miles of New Jersey beachfront to choose from, that couple and then several other lesbian couples chose the campground's outdoor pavilion on the beach for their commitment ceremonies. In the ensuing legal battle, Ocean Grove lost part of its tax-exempt status.
    Brian Raum with the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund represent Ocean Grove. "No religious organization should be forced to use their facilities," Raum said. "A place of worship, for things and behaviors that are completely at odds with their core Christian beliefs."
    It's hard to miss the equality and rainbow flags flying in Ocean Grove these days, amidst the rows of historic homes. The division between the Christian community and the gay community in Ocean Grove is clear."
     
  18. Braunwyn

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    Why does this matter again?
     
  19. cheese007

    cheese007 Regular Member

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    Why do you ask? :confused:
     
  20. hsmommyofmany

    hsmommyofmany Junior Member

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    well, because then they will be considered businesses and would owe more money by having to pay taxes. since churches run only on donations and most barely get by on that, they may end up having to close because the congregation would not be able to keep up with the giving. but i guess that would be ok with alot of people since it seems to be alright to force christians into compromising their values as long as liberal points of view are honored in all arenas. (sorry , a little harsh there)
     
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