If Hillary Clinton doesn't run for POTUS again

[Aryeh Jay]

Ah, to be so young again. I wish Hillary was the most corrupt politician in my lifetime.

 

[USincognito]

That's historical fact based Hillary, not partisan opinion Hillary.

Mmm Hmm. And how many convictions does she have?

More than Rob Blagojevich or less?
https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/23/us/rod-blagojevich-fast-facts/index.html

More than Duke Cunningham or less?
https://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2013/06/former_california_rep_randy_cu.html

Most corrupt in your lifetime eh? lol

 

[Douger]

I think Clinton's endorsement would help. She won decisively in the popular vote and an endorsement would help in the case of a far left candidate that some Dems may be hesitant to vote for.

 

[theQuincunx5]

1. I have decades of evidence of that.

No you don't. You have 26 years of Republican smear campaign. Ever since Hillary dared to step away from the cookie sheets and play a role in healthcare reform.

Oh and the GOP have ensured there's been 2 decades of "investigation" into Hillary. But if you noted she has never actually been nailed for anything. Whitewater? Nope. Benghazi? Nope. You name it nothing has been able to stick.

Now, lest you think I'm naive I would be more than willing to say Hillary is as corrupt as any given politician. But that's not saying much.

Ask yourself: is Hillary a SUPERVILLAIN? Because that's about the only way she could have dodged 26 years worth of constant investigation but nothing sticks. OR perhaps you think every single GOP member who dared to investigator since the 1990's is incompetent and too stupid to catch her.

Your choice.

2. If I gave you the impression I care what you think of me personally, I apologize for misleading you.

Oh, that's great! I don't think much about you at all, even less so when you make unevidenced claims which you follow up with further claims without evidence.

Let us know when you guys find JUST ANYTHING to lock Hillary up. Clearly she is a supervillain that can outsmart every single Republican legislator over the last 26 years.

 

[jayem]

Other countries know we hit the lotto with Trump, whether they admit it or not. In a short amount of time we’re no longer the weak kid on the block, scared of his own shadow. Our “stand-up president” is not liked to be sure, but our country is shown respect again (the bad boys are all hiding), maybe more than ever before. They’re no longer taking our lunch money. I can’t understand why anyone in the U.S. would want to go back to being the world’s wimp again.

What have you been smoking? Whatever respect we had among the nations, Donald Trump has trashed. He has singlehandedly alienated nearly all of our overseas allies, while making a sorry spectacle of himself kissing Vladimir Putin's posterior. The civilized world thinks he's a sick joke, and American voters have lost their minds. And as my grandmother said, that's as plain as your face in the mirror.

 

[Kentonio]

Why do Conservatives keep talking about Secretary Clinton?

Pretty simple really. Despite all their bold talk about Trump gettin re-elected easily, they don't believe it in their hearts. They can see America's changing demographics, they know they've only won the popular vote once in well over 20 years, and they know that Hillary Clinton running again is about the only thing that would give them any kind of confidence of holding onto their current gains.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

No you don't. You have 26 years of Republican smear campaign. Ever since Hillary dared to step away from the cookie sheets and play a role in healthcare reform.

Oh and the GOP have ensured there's been 2 decades of "investigation" into Hillary. But if you noted she has never actually been nailed for anything. Whitewater? Nope. Benghazi? Nope. You name it nothing has been able to stick.

Now, lest you think I'm naive I would be more than willing to say Hillary is as corrupt as any given politician. But that's not saying much.

Ask yourself: is Hillary a SUPERVILLAIN? Because that's about the only way she could have dodged 26 years worth of constant investigation but nothing sticks. OR perhaps you think every single GOP member who dared to investigator since the 1990's is incompetent and too stupid to catch her.

Your choice.



Oh, that's great! I don't think much about you at all, even less so when you make unevidenced claims which you follow up with further claims without evidence.

Let us know when you guys find JUST ANYTHING to lock Hillary up. Clearly she is a supervillain that can outsmart every single Republican legislator over the last 26 years.

So are you saying that you hope she will run for POTUS again?

 

[theQuincunx5]

So are you saying that you hope she will run for POTUS again?

So, logic is not on the bill, either is it?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

So, logic is not on the bill, either is it?

What's not logical?

 

[theQuincunx5]

What's not logical?

It is not logical to make an assumption about who or what I want to see run in the future based on statements about someone's relative level of corruption.

By your reasoning you would probably assume I want Neal Degrasse Tyson to run for president in 2020 simply because I think he is a good person. Yet I said nothing whatsoever about that.

You drew some conclusion not based in anything I said.

 

[Albion]

On the contrary, it was logical to think that your replies were given in response to, and related to, the question of the thread.

 

[theQuincunx5]

On the contrary, it was logical to think that your replies were given in response to, and related to, the question of the thread.

Perhaps if you weren't actually reading what I was responding to and what I said.

But sure, if you are unable to read perhaps it would appear to be "logical". But it was in no way suggested by what I was responding to or what I said.

You might assume, but of course that would be incorrect and not supported by what I said.

I suggest reading for content and reading closely!

 

[Albion]

Perhaps if you weren't actually reading what I was responding to and what I said.

But sure, if you are unable to read perhaps it would appear to be "logical". But it was in no way suggested by what I was responding to or what I said.

I am sure that you feel that way, interpret everything that way, but the record is what counts.

In addition, it does not matter what you had in mind, but only what was logical for the reader to conclude from the postings. That was the point you yourself raised.

 

[theQuincunx5]

I am sure that you feel that way, interpret everything that way, but the record is what counts.

Wow. No, no it doesn't.

I responded to a post in which someone claimed that Hillary was the most corrupt politician they had ever heard of. I merely pointed out that there was no evidence for that.

It does NOT follow that I would necessarily want her to be in the running for 2020.

I honestly don't know how to explain it more simply than that.

In addition, it does not matter what you had in mind, but only what was logical for the reader to conclude from the postings. That was the point you yourself raised.

You should maybe take a logic class sometime.

 

[Albion]

You should maybe take a logic class sometime.

Been there. Done that...which is why I knew instantly that your comment was in error.

 

[hedrick]

Pretty simple really. Despite all their bold talk about Trump gettin re-elected easily, they don't believe it in their hearts. They can see America's changing demographics, they know they've only won the popular vote once in well over 20 years, and they know that Hillary Clinton running again is about the only thing that would give them any kind of confidence of holding onto their current gains.

Gerrymandering and the intrinsic advantage of Republicans in the electoral college can hold this off for a while. I don't think it's clear that things will be different in 2020. In my view, Republicans will keep both houses in 2018, Trump will be reelected in 2020, and possibly the Democrats will take the Senate. I think it will be at least 2024 before demographic change has an effect, and maybe longer. (Incidentally, I think that in 2018 the total votes cast for Democratic congress will be greater than the total Republican votes. I just hope people don't give up on democracy if we have an extended period when the results of elections differ from the votes.)

 

[Kentonio]

Gerrymandering and the intrinsic advantage of Republicans in the electoral college can hold this off for a while. I don't think it's clear that things will be different in 2020. In my view, Republicans will keep both houses in 2018, Trump will be reelected in 2020, and possibly the Democrats will take the Senate. I think it will be at least 2024 before demographic change has an effect, and maybe longer. (Incidentally, I think that in 2018 the total votes cast for Democratic congress will be greater than the total Republican votes. I just hope people don't give up on democracy if we have an extended period when the results of elections differ from the votes.)

We’ll have to see about the midterms. The Dems have a very good chance of flipping the house. As for 2020, unless there’s a bit unexpected event between now and then, I don’t see Trump’s path to victory. He’s shockingly unpopular in the states that won it for him last time, and I don’t see where else he could get those electoral college votes from. It’s not like he has made any big gains in states he lost last time that I’m aware of. Obviously a lot can happen between now and then of course.

 

[Andrew77]

Mmm Hmm. And how many convictions does she have?

More than Rob Blagojevich or less?
https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/23/us/rod-blagojevich-fast-facts/index.html

More than Duke Cunningham or less?
https://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2013/06/former_california_rep_randy_cu.html

Most corrupt in your lifetime eh? lol

She has the same number of convictions as Richard Nixon.

There are mobster bosses that were never convicted of anything too. That doesn't mean they were not corrupt. We still have a couple of mafia people operating out of Youngstown Ohio to this day. Just because they are free and walking the street, doesn't mean they are innocent or lacking corruption.

Yeah, I get it that legally speaking, Hillary is innocent. But that doesn't mean she is actually innocent.

It's funny how when people talk about bankers, they are guilty without being charged with crimes. When you talk about CEOs, they are often guilty without being charged with crimes. When we talk about Republicans, they are guilty without being charged with a crime.

How many people on here are saying we need to impeach Trump, even though there is zero evidence of an actual crime, and he has been charged and convicted of nothing?

Yet magically when it's a Democrat, all the standards change. Now you can drive while intoxicated, drive into a lake with an intern in the car, leave her at the bottom of the lake, stumble all the way home, go to sleep...... wake up the next day, and only then call police, deny any wrong doing, and get elected to the Senate for decades like Kennedy.... and the same people who scream criminal at everyone else, start saying "he was convicted of nothing."

Hillary was as corrupt as is possible. She was corrupt when she was in Arkansas, and only got worse with every passing year.

Her first year.... FIRST year as first lady in the white house, she trumped up completely fabricated charges against the Travel Office staff, simply to replace them with political kick backs to supporters.

She was engaged in corruption as Senator, with her unauthorized email server, and her phones, and then lying about having the server cleaned by professional data security personnel, and then claiming that after decades in high office, she magically had no idea how to identify classified information.

Yeah, you can hide behind legal technical definitions, but the facts are clear. She was absolutely corrupt to her core. It would take me pages on pages, to detail all the corruption she was involved in. From Greasing the Enron India deal, to her trying to sell positions on the trade mission to China. Rose Law Firm, to selling pardons to terrorists, to lying about Benghazi, to giving FBI files to a professional dirt digger, a donation to the National Women's Hall of Fame, and the very next year, being inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame.

This women is dirty to her very core. I haven't even started going through all the dirt she's been involved with.

The bottom line, in no uncertain terms, anyone who does not think Hillary is the most corrupt politician since Nixon, is either ignorant, or partisan. You either don't know what you are talking about, or you don't care because you support any Democrat, no matter what they do.

That's it. It's one or the other, because all the evidence points to a consistent decades long pattern of corruption.

 

[theQuincunx5]

Been there. Done that

Huh. Doesn't look like it. Sorry. But honestly at this point it is clear I couldn't simplify it enough to explain it to you.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Have you missed out on the entirety of her campaigning for the 2020 nomination thus far?

It does seem like she's campaigning.