if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[itisdeliciouscake]

Once again, my biggest concern with folks who bash on people who enjoy Harry Potter is that they're adding to the Word of God. Scripture NEVER forbids reading books about magic. It strongly condemns participating in witchcraft and sorcery. Why are we trying to go beyond the commandments that God has given us? I seem to remember another group of people who liked to add their own rules to the Bible...

 

[God's Word]

Once again, my biggest concern with folks who bash on people who enjoy Harry Potter is that they're adding to the Word of God. Scripture NEVER forbids reading books about magic. It strongly condemns participating in witchcraft and sorcery. Why are we trying to go beyond the commandments that God has given us? I seem to remember another group of people who liked to add their own rules to the Bible...

Have you never read:

Acts 19:13-20

"Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed."

???

A man in whom was an evil spirit basically beat the stuffing out of the seven sons of Sceva who sought to cast it out by adjuring it "by Jesus whom Paul preacheth". All the Jews and Greeks at Ephesus heard of this and they were fearful and Jesus' name was magnified. Many of them not only believed and confessed, but also "shewed their deeds" or brought forth fruits worthy of genuine repentance. Here's the interesting part...

THEY BURNED THEIR BOOKS ON CURIOUS ARTS OR MAGIC AS A DIRECT RESULT OF WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED BETWEEN THE SEVEN SONS OF SCEVA AND THE MAN WITH THE EVIL SPIRIT.

Coincidence? I doubt it. Magic and demons go hand in hand.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV

Act 19:19

Many 2425 of them also 1161 which used 4238 curious arts 4021 brought 48510 their books 976 together 4851, and burned them 2618 before 1799 all 3956 [men]: and 2532 they counted 4860 the price 5092 of them 846, and 2532 found 2147 [it] fifty 4002 thousand 3461 [pieces] of silver 694.

Click on Strong's number 4021 and you'll see what "curious arts" are:

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

1) busy about trifles and neglectful of important matters
a) esp. busy about other folks' affairs, a busybody
b) of things: impertinent and superfluous
1) of magic arts

They BURNED THEIR MAGIC BOOKS. MAGIC BOOKS which were worth 50,000 PIECES OF SILVER. Judas betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver. Apparently, these people considered their souls to be of greater value than THEIR MAGIC BOOKS. How about you? There's your scriptural example of what you should do. No one "added their own rules to the Bible" in this regard as you erroneously suggested. Just for the record.

 

[God's Word]

Accidental double post. Sorry.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

Subscribing. Interesting thread! I am more of a Lord of the Rings fan myself ehehe

Someone used Harry Potter footage in this song....spooky


‪Hell Is For Children‬‏ - YouTube

 

[LinuxUser]

My God Christians really are a bunch of superstitious cave men.

 

[Zecryphon]

There's a difference here you're ignoring. Harry Potter books are not magical. They do not contain actual spells and people reading them are not doing so to practice the dark arts. Got any more Scripture you wanna misapply?

 

[LinuxUser]

Not only that, but they also ride vacuum cleaners and have talking black cats as seen in the television show "Sabrina: The Teenage Witch."

They ride...

Dirt Devils

 

[LinuxUser]

Once again, my biggest concern with folks who bash on people who enjoy Harry Potter is that they're adding to the Word of God. Scripture NEVER forbids reading books about magic. It strongly condemns participating in witchcraft and sorcery. Why are we trying to go beyond the commandments that God has given us? I seem to remember another group of people who liked to add their own rules to the Bible...

Because people like to add their idea's in with the text mostly I suppose

 

[solarwave]

I'm surprised at how dull parents are, thinking that witchcraft is make believe, certianly Harry Potter movies push you into believing witchcraft is fantasy, but ask any real witch how much fantasy is there is in real witchcraft and you would be amazed. The bible tells you sorcery is an abomination, yet when young Harry does it, and your kid mimics Harry's sorcery you just smile and say "its make believe", I don't understand why anyone would want Harry Potter or any of the twilight actors to be your kids idols, or to be fans of these portayals of characters, that stand against everything God is against. Drinking blood, performing rituals of witchcraft, I don't understand if someone says "I love Jesus and want to please Him", and then they love these shows and movies, which are in complete contradiction to the behavior and character of Christ. How is this possible? is there no discernment between good and evil, because Harry is considered a good sorcerer, right! and in Gods eyes there are no good sorcerers, they all are evil

Hi,

I think the thing we need to remember is that the Bible is based on the real world. If the Harry Potter world were real then it is likely that the Bible would be some what different. Morality is based on Reality and if Reality is different then morality will be different. For example, it is wrong to torture someone, but if the physical act of torture in fact helped healing or even felt good and had little to no negative consequences, then the acts of torture would become moral. So the morality of acts are tied to the reaction the cause to other people and how they relate to Reality/God.

If the Harry Potter world were real then magic wouldn't be based on demons (as the Bible envisions) but rather be based on some sort of law of nature. Magic would therefore become no more immoral than flying is. The reason for the immorality of the action would be gone.

So the magic in Harry Potter isn't the same as the magic the Bible talks of because the source of the magic is different.

 

[Zecryphon]

I'm taking this thread as a warm-up thread. A few more months and CF will be spammed once again with all those anti-Halloween threads.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Ooooo I can't wait for Halloween it is my favorite holiday Gonna have my special avatar up then

 

[LinuxUser]

I love Halloween. When I was a kid about 11 I wasn't allowed to celebrate it because my mom got saved.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

Have you never read:

Acts 19:13-20

"Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed."

???

A man in whom was an evil spirit basically beat the stuffing out of the seven sons of Sceva who sought to cast it out by adjuring it "by Jesus whom Paul preacheth". All the Jews and Greeks at Ephesus heard of this and they were fearful and Jesus' name was magnified. Many of them not only believed and confessed, but also "shewed their deeds" or brought forth fruits worthy of genuine repentance. Here's the interesting part...

THEY BURNED THEIR BOOKS ON CURIOUS ARTS OR MAGIC AS A DIRECT RESULT OF WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED BETWEEN THE SEVEN SONS OF SCEVA AND THE MAN WITH THE EVIL SPIRIT.

Coincidence? I doubt it. Magic and demons go hand in hand.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for KJV

Act 19:19

Many 2425 of them also 1161 which used 4238 curious arts 4021 brought 48510 their books 976 together 4851, and burned them 2618 before 1799 all 3956 [men]: and 2532 they counted 4860 the price 5092 of them 846, and 2532 found 2147 [it] fifty 4002 thousand 3461 [pieces] of silver 694.

Click on Strong's number 4021 and you'll see what "curious arts" are:

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

1) busy about trifles and neglectful of important matters
a) esp. busy about other folks' affairs, a busybody
b) of things: impertinent and superfluous
1) of magic arts

They BURNED THEIR MAGIC BOOKS. MAGIC BOOKS which were worth 50,000 PIECES OF SILVER. Judas betrayed Jesus for only 30 pieces of silver. Apparently, these people considered their souls to be of greater value than THEIR MAGIC BOOKS. How about you? There's your scriptural example of what you should do. No one "added their own rules to the Bible" in this regard as you erroneously suggested. Just for the record.

You are treading on extremely dangerous ground. We are talking about the Word of God here. You and I both know that this is not what this text is talking about. There is an enormous difference between books designed to teach demonic magic and fiction about a magical world.

Be humble before the Word of God and please do NOT try to abuse it like you are and make it say what YOU want it to say.

Stop playing games.

 

[SonOfTheWest]

One would hope they couple simply appreciate literature that praises selflessness, friendship, loyalty, courage,etc,etc.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi,

I think the thing we need to remember is that the Bible is based on the real world. If the Harry Potter world were real then it is likely that the Bible would be some what different. Morality is based on Reality and if Reality is different then morality will be different. For example, it is wrong to torture someone, but if the physical act of torture in fact helped healing or even felt good and had little to no negative consequences, then the acts of torture would become moral. So the morality of acts are tied to the reaction the cause to other people and how they relate to Reality/God.

If the Harry Potter world were real then magic wouldn't be based on demons (as the Bible envisions) but rather be based on some sort of law of nature. Magic would therefore become no more immoral than flying is. The reason for the immorality of the action would be gone.

So the magic in Harry Potter isn't the same as the magic the Bible talks of because the source of the magic is different.

Is it any less different than dragons, that are portrayed in some movies, which are mentioned in both the OT and NT of the Bible ?
Anyone seen a dragon lately?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7405089-4/#post53043894
What the sign?

Ezekiel 29:3 "Speak thou! and say 'thus He says my Lord YHWH. Behold Me! on thee Par`oh king of Egypt, the great Dragon the one reclining in midst of his rivers which he says to Me ' my River and I, I made me'.

Revelation 12:3 And was seen another Sign in the heaven and behold! a great fiery red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns. And upon the heads of him seven diadems.

This was an excellent dragon movie IMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At8UUrDptn8

 

[princess_ballet]

One would hope they couple simply appreciate literature that praises selflessness, friendship, loyalty, courage,etc,etc.

Exactly. But the problem is they aren't willing to look at the books. They just want to pass judgment on them and act holier than thou.

 

[Blueforest]

According to modern day protestant evangelicalism, Harry - like every other human being God ever created - is going to burn in hell for all eternity. That is, if he was real of course.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm taking this thread as a warm-up thread. A few more months and CF will be spammed once again with all those anti-Halloween threads.

Ooooo I can't wait for Halloween it is my favorite holiday Gonna have my special avatar up then

I love Halloween. When I was a kid about 11 I wasn't allowed to celebrate it because my mom got saved.

Other than Easter, the 4th of July, Thanksgiving and Christmas, that was one of our favorite times of the year as a kid.

http://www.christianforums.com/t1051554/
Do you celebrate Halloween?

Yes
378 43.25%
No
457 52.29%

‪Halloween Horror - Scary Sounds and Music‬‏ - YouTube

 

[God's Word]

You are treading on extremely dangerous ground.

No, young man, you are the one who is treading on extremely dangerous ground by defending such things as wizardry and witchcraft. Me? I'm standing firm on the Rock of my salvation, Jesus Christ. He is vehemently opposed to witchcraft, wizardry, sorcery, magic, etc. I'll side with Him in the matter.

We are talking about the Word of God here.

I know exactly what we're talking about. In fact, my chosen username is God's Word.

You and I both know that this is not what this text is talking about.

Speak for yourself. You said, and I quote:

Scripture NEVER forbids reading books about magic.

I, in turn, showed where scripture shows that people burned their books about magic after hearing of the encounter between the man with the evil spirit and the seven sons of Sceva.

There is an enormous difference between books designed to teach demonic magic and fiction about a magical world.

"Fiction about a magical world"? Are you kidding? Not only are there SEVERAL REAL PLACES mentioned in the Potter books, but there are also SEVERAL REAL PEOPLE mentioned as well. Funny thing...these REAL PEOPLE were REALLY involved IN THE OCCULT and CHILDREN are now inquiring about them. Here's a two-part video series that will give you the names of some of these REAL OCCULTISTS who are mentioned in the Potter books and also some details on how CHILDREN are being sucked into THE OCCULT as a result of reading them:

‪Steve Wohlberg (1) - Hidden Dangers In Harry Potter‬‏ - YouTube


‪Steve Wohlberg (2) - Hidden Dangers In Harry Potter‬‏ - YouTube

Be humble before the Word of God and please do NOT try to abuse it like you are and make it say what YOU want it to say.

Take your own advice. I know what both the Bible and the Potter books have to say. You are the one who is at odds with the Bible by defending the Potter books. Watch the videos and see for yourself.

Stop playing games.

I stopped playing games when I became a Christian many years ago. Long before you were ever even born, as a matter of fact.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I disagree with the speaker's timetable regarding Revelation chapter 12 in the second video. If anybody watches the video and wants to know why I disagree, then I'll be happy to explain why. Thanks.

 

[frankleespeaking]

You don't know a single thing about HP and yet you've condemned it???? I believe that's a bit ignorant.

And you're making a joke about casting the spell, which means you acknowledge it is all make believe, and yet you're concerned that its going to destroy your soul???? Do you jump at shadows too?

actually to be perfectly honest, I'm not afriad of anything anymore, but about fifteen years ago I was demon possessed, to the point where my eyes glowed, you can't even imagine how scary that was, I could feel the worms that never die crawling through my body, I could even see them moving under my skin, yes witchcraft is just loads of fun, channeling spirits, speaking to the dead, and basically being a human ouji board, but I guess when witchcraft becomes this real to a person, I simply don't understand why any Christian would glorify any aspect of it, If the man from the Gerasenes was here to speak with you, who was so full of demons he could rip chains apart, He would also tell you its not make believe, or simply a harmless childhood adventure, its geared to get kids interested in the occult plain and simple.